April 11, 1990

(Names and other words that could not be transcribed exactly are in italics. Unknown voices are referred to as ďmanĒ or ďwoman.Ē Comments, explanations, and additional names are in parentheses.)

Man: Alexander-Crawford Historical Society meeting April 11, 1990. The speaker is Parks Carle.

Parks Carle: I have four or five kind of disjointed things to talk about, but they seem to bear out a single theme. And, let me state the theme. Personally, my opinion, a great injustice has been done in the past to the settlers and the pioneers and all in their acquisition of the land that became - it wasnít given to them. So thatís why I have this and that subject and I read a book this winter - maybe many of you have also read this book, The Mayflower. And, thereís a little passage in there. I donít intend to read a whole lot to you. I just thought that - that - you see, the Pilgrims were not financed by the English government. In fact, you all know they went to Holland sort of out of persecution or felt they were persecuted, lived there a couple years and went to America. So they borrowed enough money from a group of business men called - they called themselves The Adventurers. And, so they loaned them the money and they expected it back. So the Pilgrims came over and had a hard winter. The ship stayed in the harbor that winter and then sailed back in the spring. In April it departed for England and the winter was hard. Let me see - Iíll read just a few things. This was one of the Pilgrim leaders writing. ďBut it pleased God to visit us daily with death with so general a disease that the living were scarce able to bury the dead and well not in any measure sufficient to tend the sick.Ē So the Mayflower went back to England and after a year or so a ship then came back to the colony called the Fortune. Letís see. It said ďShe did - It carried no supplementary stores for the plantationĒ and I get pleasure out of reading the - in the old terms and so they - the Fortune ran out of food on the way over and it said - the description of them when they got there - it said, ďTheir natural complexion was somewhat diminishedĒ and then wrote ďwhen they arrived.Ē That was his way of saying that they were hungry. Now, to get back here. ďThe Fortune so landed on these shores. It carried no supplementary stores for the plantation,Ē but what she did carry was a bad tempered letter from these business men. And, it said, ďHow were the adventurers to recover their investment?Ē It had no - it had no return goods - the Mayflower carried nothing back in the spring - no trading goods. And, how could they keep their creditors quiet and so forth. And - no - no lading on the ship and so - so one of the colonists later wrote then about burying the dead and so forth. ďAnd now to be so greatly blamed for not trading the ship doth indeed go near us and much discourage us.Ē That was what he said about that - not sending a ship back because they - they had half of them die that winter. And, they said the Fortune - the Fortune did not live up to her name. ďShe reached the channel safely.Ē Now this was the Fortune that had come over a year after and it - it had - this ship was loaded with a cargo estimated to be worth nearly 500 pounds. It was loaded with all the oak staves that they could fill in the ship and two hogsheads of beaver and otter skins. And, so it was worth 500 pounds. ďThe Fortune did not live up to her name. She reached the channel safely but was stopped and boarded by a French pirate ship which escorted her to the French coast. There the cargo was removed along with everything of value the pirates could lay hands on including most of the passengersí clothes. Left with only what they stood up in, they were set free to go to London.Ē We call it the clothes on their back, not - but they were left with all - with only what they stood up in. And, hereís - hereís another little thing here you may enjoy knowing. What they did not take was a manuscript written by Bradford describing the experience - experiences up to then. ďHe took it to a London printer. They published it under the title ĎA Relation or Journal of the Beginnings and Proceedings of the English Plantation Settled at Plymouth, New England.í The authorís name did not appear on the title page but that of G. Mort Id Who G. Mort was, the printer or George Morton who crossed to Plymouth later or someone else is a puzzle today.Ē And, this document has been called the Mortís Relation. And, in that, it contains the only account ever found of the first Thanksgiving and goes on to present a picture of that. So - so the book says after 40 years the Pilgrims paid off their debt, because they - but - you see the burden that they had. They sent two shiploads back that the pirates got. And, then the remainder paid off their debt but it took them 40 years. Now then, of course other colonies. You - youíve heard of Walter Raleighís colony. That was financed but not so with the Pilgrims. And, now, I just have a few facts and figures - not too many, I hope - about the State of Maine. And, the Bingham land, the State of Maine and the Bingham Purchase and then the separation of Maine and a few facts that go down through. What did we do with our land. You - youíve read the Bangor Daily a lot lately - the past few years quite concerned with Maine gathering back some of the land for the public use and so I have these few facts. 1783, the war is over. Massachusetts began selling the land. Massachusetts held as you know what was called the Province of Maine and they looked at that as money in the bank. They were going to sell that land and finance their government. They began selling. In fact, they sold three million acres up to 1843. They sold three million acres of Maine land. And, then hereís a little thing about the - the lottery - the Massachusetts lottery and Iíll refer to that a little bit later. Massachusetts proposed to sell 50 townships by lottery between the Penobscot and the St. Croix. So thatís where we are now. They sold 437 tickets and the thing said only 437 tickets. They expected to sell many more. At 60 pounds a ticket. Every ticket holder got a piece of land from a half mile square to a six mile square and - a half mile square and a six mile square is a township. The township is 144 times as large as the half mile square. So to give you an idea how big a township is - some of Princeton at least was in this sale. And, in fact much land around this area was in it. Now then Iíll mention that once more if I have time. Then in 1791, General Knobs and Colonel William Doer - of course he was a Dutchman, I suppose by the name - bought 2,000,000 acres in Maine from the Massachusetts government at ten cents an acre. Then they bought another million including the eastern half of Mount Desert Island , and they only paid $10,000 down on this purchase - 3,000,000 acres of land in Maine. And, then came what was called in - in Ď92 the Doer panic which was an economic panic and Colonel Doer went to debtorsí prison. And, then William Bingham took over the payments and he took the land over at twelve and a half cents an acre. And, he - he was able to pay for it. He was the only man as far as I can read about that didnít lose his fortune in those panics of Ď90, Ď92 and Ď96, 1896. He didnít lose his - he didnít lose his fortune. And - so then - now Mr. Bingham has bought 2,000,000 acres - the 2,000,000 lay around the Kennebec River, both sides of the Kennebec River and it started it said at the rising of the tide on the Kennebec River and went north. Then they bought - then the other million was this right here including the eastern half of Mount Desert Island. And, Massachusetts sold that to him and he imposed the usual restrictions on the purchaser, that he must have families move in and live and form towns. He had seven years it said to - to get these little villages going on each township or - or at least where it was feasible that they live or possible. They had - each settler could have 100 acres for $5.00. That was a very good deal . If he settled before 1784 - if he settled before 1800 he must pay $25.00 which was again a very good deal. The Kennebec Purchase, now Bingham has gone to England by this time - in 1800, heís gone to England but his agents were - were Colonel Black and General Cobb and then others that worked for them on this land. The Kennebec Purchase was sold to settlers and to speculators at up to $10.00 an acre so you see that $10.00 an acre brought him something pretty good. However at that time it was - or shortly thereafter it went into the Bingham estate. Now the - the Penobscot division which is Washington County - the lower half was sold to Alexander Baring for two shillings per acre. So these speculators bought land with the intention of selling it and making a profit. They didnít want the land. Mr. Bingham didnít want the land. He began to try to sell. He was in immediate economic embarrassment after he bought this land and he had to sell, so - they just couldnít get people to settle and buy because - you can only speculate but the people that were well financed werenít interested in a log cabin and the people that would be interested were, I suppose, young, newly married couples that would go there and had nothing. They just couldnít - so he had said - he looked to - in the Bingham book ďThe Golden VoyageĒ if some of you have read that - a very nice book to read. He looked across to England to - to sell this land. So, he interested the - the Baring brothers in England and they sent over a young man, their son, Alexander Baring, to look at this land and possibly buy it. So he came over and he bought the lower half of the Penobscot Million at two shillings per acre. He married Binghamís daughter and became - he became Lord Ashburton, famous in the Webster-Ashburton Treaty that founded - settled the boundary here between us and St. Stephen much later on. So, Mr. Baring, the young man, came over and that was very interesting reading how - how he came over to buy this land and he was cautioned - donít marry a woman over there. Be very discreet and careful about buying this land - how much you pay and so forth. Well Mr. Bingham knew that he had to sell this land almost at any price. However, he was being very careful, too. The story goes how - how Mr. Baring landed - arrived in Boston or went through Boston, anyway, and - and Bingham had people there to meet him there it said as if by accident, tell him about the great possibilities of making money buying the Bingham million acres and so forth and so he came and he lived with Mr. Bingham for months, I guess. They - they chartered a schooner, came up from Philadelphia where Bingham lived. They came up, sailed along the Maine coast, spent one whole summer up here. He brought his daughter and his wife and her sister who was 20 years old, so Mr. Baring almost had his choice of three people to marry. They were willing and so he finally did marry the oldest daughter of Mr. Bingham. And, that was a very interesting story - took a long time - big deal. So then - letís see now - now, I have said that the Kennebec Million was sold and it was auctioned off. Now, I have a note here. The auctioneer that sold there on the Kennebec land to settlers and also to speculators, his name was William Allen. I have a note here. In later life he wrote a history of the Bingham lands. Now, I just found that note looking through papers the other day. And, I shall try to find that book. If anyone knows where it is Iíd like to know it. So - so that accounts for a whole lot of Maine land - both in the lottery and in the sale to Mr. Bingham. Now, the next thing I have got some notes on here. In 1820 Maine became a state. Everybody knows that, that went to school, I guess - hope. Massachusetts retained one half of all the un-granted and unsold land in Maine. So Massachusetts carved off Maine independent - another state - they held the land - half of the land that wasnít sold. So, Maine had the other half to sell to finance their government. They - they again looked - looked at that as a source of income. And, Massachusetts offered all of her land to the State of Maine at the date that they separated in 1820 for four cents an acre. Maine legislators thought that was too great a sum of money and did not buy it. They could have got Massachusetts out of Maine at that time but they didnít chose to do it. They finally bought Massachusetts out 24 - 24 - 20 - 34 years later. They finally bought them out at 30 and a half cents an acre. 34 years later they bought Massachusetts out. In that time land was sold to buyers under three - three - three sales. Maine alone, Massachusetts alone, and Maine and Massachusetts combined. And, they sold land that way and it was a very complicated procedure. But it was done that way. The - there was unending trouble with the sale of land. They - there was a great pressure in Augusta to get Maine land all sold and to get Maine out of the land business. Nothing was ever done completely and satisfactorily for various reasons. There was nobody had the money to buy it for cash and pay the whole thing down. They could buy it and pay some down and never finish it. They hardly ever finished buying it and it went back to the state. Then there was the problem that the state government had with trespassing. Up on the Canadian border the Canadian people trespassed on to the Maine land and cut timber and it caused the threat of that war that we here called the Aroostook war and all of the problems involving the land. Thereís too much for me to go into details, but - but the problems were - were extreme. Now in 1857 it was estimated that there were only two million acres that remained unsold mostly in Aroostook and Somerset counties. And, the next big sale - land sale was to the European and North American Railroad which started out as a great proposition to get a rail from - from Portland up through to Saint John. And it finally op - it eventually operated and bankrupt and Maine granted to that railroad 93 townships or pieces of townships so that they could try to make the rail - railroad in the black. And, now these grants - I havenít said much about the land grants but there were many and they granted - Massachusetts granted much land. So did Maine mostly to institutions, colleges and universities and related things, but they were free to sell them immediately - the next day if they chose. They could do anything they wanted to with these granted lands, and I take it that was common in Canada and everywhere. And so lots of the sales took place immediately from granted lands. Now there are lots of granted lands today in Maine. If you get your map out youíll see that the different - different institutions still own big land grants that they held on to. I - Plantation 21 has a - has a School Block, so called. Over in Crawford they have a mile square School Block probably called. And so forth. And - but this - this railroad deal - European North American Railroad that bankrupt and was taken over by the Maine Central and so the rail is what we know it today. There was much story in my books about forest fires and trespassing on land with a few pages about the description of the big trees and it just kills me to read those descriptions of trees standing here in Maine 180 feet tall. I just would have liked to see one. However, I have seen one that was 130 feet tall, a big pine. And, there was editorials from the newspaper. Iíll quote you one that I recall. This writer said it was high time for the policy of the State of Maine, the land policy of the State of Maine to be carried out in favor of the people and not the speculators and he bad-mouthed the federal policy and the state policy of - every time they sold they looked to a speculator because he might have been able to pay more money. I suppose buy a larger quantity. They didnít want to deal with the settlers so very few of the settlers in the State of Maine ever got a chance to buy land cheap and easily. They had to buy from the speculators. That was true. That was true in - in Princeton, I know. Now, in 1891 the Land Office closed in favor of the Forest Commissioner. Itís a common thing we hear of a Land Office business. In my time I have never seen a Land Office. Iíve heard of them, but you can imagine what they were like and the times of the land in this country being opened up and the Land Office was just flooded with the people pushing in to buy - buy the land. So, thatís another topic I will leave, and - and this other topic is Charlotte, Maine. Charlotte, Maine. In 1784 General Rufus Putnam surveyed Charlotte, Number Three. In - in that year he surveyed Perry, Pembroke, and Dennysville, Robinston, Calais and Baring. And, I got this book from Roberta and I guess she mentioned it. Charlotte, History of Charlotte. This isnít the history of Charlotte, but itís - - -

Roberta: Thatís by Fisher?

Parks Carle: Yes.

Roberta: No the one I was referring to is a fairly new one, a paperback that was done in 1976.

Parks Carle: Yes, yes. I - I have that. I - Now this is the story of a down-east plantation. There is only about a dozen books in existence, I guess and one of themís in the state library. I sent up to the state library and had it sent down by mail and - and read it a few years ago and sent it back, but this is Robertaís book. And, Lewis Fisher was born over there in 1859 and he lived there 21 years and then he went to Massachusetts. And, he was a - a minister or parson or whatever you want to call it - in large churches in - in Massachusetts. I assume he was very successful and - so he came back to visit Charlotte by occasions and - and he just wrote this book about the year of 1912 I believe. And, anybody here ever read this book? Down-East Plantation, Charlotte, Maine. Youíve read it Marilyn. So this - I have a reason for talking about this and I hope youíll find it interesting. Now General Rufus Putnam surveyed this in 1784. Now this is - the war is just over, but you see you couldnít sell a piece of land until the surveyors have surveyed it. Does that fol - how would you sell - and this much have been true throughout - at least you would have to either bound it by a river or something in order to sell it and so you canít always have a river and so - so the deal was to get portions of land surveyed at least by the six mile boundaries in order to sell them and if you want to sell them smaller, theyíve got to be surveyed. And, I have a chart of Charlotte and that was the most perfectly laid out of any of the townships in this county. It was drawn in lines and squares and north and south and east and west and those squares were not mile squares but half mile squares which is 160 acres in a half mile square. And so they crossed the whole - the whole town up in half mile squares and numbered them and mapped them and then came the big sale that this book tells about. And, letís see - Lewis Fisher went to great lengths to explain how things were in this - in this town. At the - back about 1750 or thereabouts at least, the boundary between Massachusetts and New Hampshire was surveyed and plotted permanent for pretty much the first time officially and this group of people that were in Massachusetts found themselves now in New Hampshire and they were very unhappy and they lived in the town of Townsend, Massachusetts. They were very unhappy. They petitioned the General Court it says for relief because they were angry and what the General Court did with these people.- they called themselves the Townsend Sufferers - it said they went about with long faces and very disturbed, excessively so. And so the General Court awarded them a plantation in the Province of Maine. This was way back before the Revolution. And, that province turned out to be the general area of Charlotte, Maine. And, so for the next 30, 40 years this - these people tried to get settlers to come to Charlotte and possess their land if they - that the court had awarded them to just simply appease them. However they did pay 1,000 pounds for the Town of Charlotte according to William Fisher - Lewis Fisher and his information came direct from his parents and grandparents. And, so they never could get settlers and the town went back to the State of Massachusetts. It was never - amounted to anything. However the Townsend episode - it says forever after in this area the talk, the - when people - on arrival, if they sat down to talk, they talked about Charlotte, Maine - would they ever go there, who would go, how and so forth for many years. And, so about the time of 1809 this town had been surveyed and it - it came that now there were some people interested in going and that was the Fishers - four or five brothers. And they - they went. It said there came a speculator named John Coates that purchased the whole town. It didnít say where he lived but I take it it was Boston. He purchased the whole town and he had the - the restrictions. He had to get settlers to go there within six years and so forth, you know, and build a school and a church and a town. And so he had to interest them and in order to do that he had to lie and that he did. But they went there - they went there. He promised them 80 acres free in writing and so the Fisher brothers went there. It told how they came up through the Danish river and - no not the Danish river. They came up through Pembroke and - - -

Man: Pennamaquan Lake

Parkes Carle: Up through Pennamaquan Lake into Round Pond and they settled. They bought their land from Mr. John Coates free and - and so these men were very industrious, young strong. Fisher says they were remarkably intelligent. And, so - so - they - they prospered. They came and prospered and - I got a kick out of a little story there. One of them wrote a letter back to the girl he was going to marry and he addressed it to Sharon - the town of Sharon, Massachusetts. He said thatís all he addressed it - Sharon, and it got there. And - but there was another - there was another settler whose name was Augustus Zilmer and where he came from I donít know exactly, but - that is when he and his wife came. However, I do know that he came from Germany and he jumped ship. He - he was a prisoner aboard ship, I think, and he jumped the ship and he escaped. He was chased into a hollow log but he escaped and he finally married a girl, 17, and they came and settled and they had a slip of paper, 80 acres free, and they went up into the corner of the town, lot number twelve. Today thatís a big blueberry field, beautiful land. I donít know why he went so far from everybody else, but thatís where they went. And, over in Charlotte, there, they have the records of the children born in Charlotte, the dates, the parents. Theyíve got a whole book of those. And so, Augustus and his wife had a child in 1813, 15, 17, 25 and on into the Ď40s. The child that was born in 1825 married my great grandfather and thatís how the story - I knew the story all about the 80 acres free long before I read the book, but I had stored it away for 50 years about when I read the book and then it just came to me how my father had told the whole story. And, they came and settled and raised a family but the 80 acres free was never honored and so they had to pay. My father said they paid and paid and paid all their life and never owned a piece of land. However, he was wrong. They did own it for a period of time. Now, hereís what happened to that family. The wife and I, we researched that family for five years, I guess, and I discovered many things of interest and - but I did know before I began to look - I - I did know that they were driven from place to place by the sheriff. They were squatters. First off when this 80 acres free deal collapsed, heís a squatter and then the sheriff gets after him. They came possibly 1810 or thereabouts. Now, the book that was written by Herby Clarkís wife and others knew nothing about this family because this family has no descendants in the town and - but - but except that Iím one a little bit. Now, they came into Charlotte in 1810. In 1820 they live in Baring. Now, Baring was just across the line. Their cabin must have been within a rockís - a stoneís throw of the boundary with Baring. So when they moved to Baring they didnít go out here on the river. They just moved across the line and evidently - evidently nobody there to call them a squatter, but in Charlotte these people in Boston were pretty sharp and they knew what was going on in Charlotte. So, in 1820 they were in Baring. In 1821 they were in Charlotte - in 1825 Baring - 1837 back in Charlotte - 1840 in Baring. But, I have the deeds. This says Oliver Putnam to Augustus Zilmer. And, that is 1825. But here - here is one of the strange things that - about what the (indistinct word) Augustus Zilmer to John Hayward. This family - surely they were destitute of everything but still they - they survived. As you know the year of 1816-17 there were no gardens. That was the year the whole north country froze, had snow all summer, and most of the settlers went back to Massachusetts, but these here in Charlotte didnít. And - but, anyway they survived there. So, they were driven off from their Charlotte home. They went into Baring but in 1820 they must have looked across the line and said ďLetís go back to Charlotte.Ē And this deed says 200 - ďin consideration of $280.00 paid to me by Augustus Zilmer.Ē So where did he get $280.00? This is not a mortgage deed. This is a cash sale. And, and so he paid that $280.00 down and they moved back to Charlotte into their home. They own 160 acres, but you see there again is the injustice done. This man wanted two acres of land for a garden and a meadow and nothing else. What was all these trees and 158 acres be worth to him? He couldnít do a thing with it. But, he had to buy the 160 acres which he did. He paid $280.00. You can use your imagination where he got it. I donít know. Then this next deed says Augustus Zilmer to John Hayward. Then I suppose they were starving to death and they sold this land they which owned to John Hayward for $150.00. Again a cash sale. And, they took their $150.00 and went back to Baring and that was where my grandmother was born - in Baring in Ď25. Nothing further until 1937 and they moved back into Charlotte and they took out a mortgage deed with Ichabod Chapman. He was a money lender and Iím sure youíd - Ben here will tell you there were no banks in those days but there were money lenders everywhere. Every town had at least one - that - very unscrupulous people sometimes. And so Augustus Zilmer takes out a mortgage deed. Heís back in Charlotte. Iíve been to that site. I found that site. I found the hole in the ground where they had their little cabin, their root cellar. There was a beautiful boiling spring just out the door, a brook, a meadow, a beautiful site for - - -


And - but, they - but they stayed.. They had - you can imagine how youíd feel trapped if you went on a long journey and - to live there and when you get there you take what there. So - so that is my story about that family and - I jumped over a few things I wanted to say but - but weíll have to settle for that, I guess. So I will be taking this book back to Roberta but if you like to read local stories and I know about everybody likes to read the Belmore book that Princeton has but this story is not too much like the Belmore book. This tells about going blue berrying and shooing a bear and town business and it tells about the Saxby gale that came in 1868 and the great fire of 1869 that burned the trees that tipped over. It tells about the schools - the local - the local problems that they had and the various families and it tells about the Indians that came to make maple syrup and so forth. And, I swear that some of the things he - he said about the Indians he wouldnít dare say it today. But, - but, itís quite an interesting book. The home life - a chapter on the home life and bears - a chapter on bears. Plantation life. Itís - itís really - itís really - goes right into detail about all the - all the people that lived there. And, their contribution in the Civil War is recorded and about the people that lived down on Smith Ridge and all the little communities that settled - two or three different communities there. The children - the pioneers - he started out with the pioneers - the children of the pioneers - the grandchildren of the pioneers and almost to a person the grandchildren went back to Massachusetts so there are no Fishers over there today except the kind that go fishing. And, they all went back but I guess - I guess theyíre still important people according to him. Tell your own story. So, Iíll - You have to happy with that much.

Man: Well, thank you very much, appreciate it. Anybody have any questions for Parks?

Woman: Iím thinking about there not being any Fishers, I believe that Faith (indistinct name) is a relative.

Parks Carle: She is. Sheís a descendant. And, there is a lady - I donít know if sheís living - a Bridges - the Bridges are descendants. And, she lived in Calais winter and out there summers, but do you think sheíd let me have the book - no. She said thatís most - my most prized possession.. I - I was told about the book and who had it - the only book and I was about six months to find her and talk to her but no deal. Nobody will ever get the book from her.

Man: That - that sad story you told, though. Itís a good - a different view of - of the settlement of this area and itís good to hear it. Itís kind of sad with the problems that they went through and moving and the fact that quality really came to speculators instead of people.

Parks Carle: Yes, yes, I - I was impressed that it was a sad story. To put yourself in their position and not be able to - not be able to do thing - I read those - much words about a young man who say he was in Brazil - wanted to come to the United States. It said if he - if he worked at laboring and that kind of - all his life he would never gain a ticket to fly to this country. Could he do it. He couldnít get that far ahead because the - the economy and the - this - on the very edge of existence all the time. And those countries I understand have no welfare system at all.

Second man: No, weíre - weíre fortunate.

Woman: Parks, donít sit down. I want to ask a question. Of course I - living in South Princeton - Peter Carle came first to - to South Princeton and he settled at the Four Corners and then a -

Parks Carle: Tavern Corners.

Woman: Tavern and then he was there how long. Five years?

Parks Carle: About. I beg your pardon. I want to read one thing. I - that was what I was trying to recall but couldnít. This deed - this deed that I have. Youíre not that hungry, I hope. This deed - I think youíll find it interesting. Peter Carle, tax collector - Peter Carle, tax collector, to John Carle, his - his son. Thatís not my line. My line is Thomas Carle, but Normanís father was - grandfather was John Carle. This was a sale of land - sale of land in Princeton taken for the taxes. Only to collect the sum of $9.56 - now this was 320 acres of land. The taxes on that was $9.56 due Whereas no - this was - yes - no person has appeared to discharge the said taxes although I have advertised and posted the same in the Eastern Argus paper of the printer for the time being the Eastern Democrat a public newspaper printed in said county at the - skip the rest - therefore I the said Peter Carle, tax collector in consideration of the sum of $9.56 to me paid for discharging the said taxes and necessary intervening charges by John Carle, of said Princeton, yeoman - which means local boy - have granted, bargained and so forth said lot number 41 in said town of Princeton according to the lotting thereof with all the privileges and so forth. And it - it must be on the back side of this. It also says, being lot number 41 according to the lotting of the land in the lottery of the State of Massachusetts. Now that - there - there are three of these here - one, two, three - 320 acres each - 960 acres involved and - and Peter sold them to his son - all three for $9.56 three times and that land was in Princeton about where Brewer Andrews lives, across the road - that big piece of forest down in there to the right as you look toward Sallyís was taken for taxes and he - he tells here about being at twelve oíclock noon at public auction at my house in Princeton which was South Princeton at that time. This was 1936 - 1836. So - so that is my thought that Princeton was in the land lottery of the State of Massachusetts, or parts of it at least. And - now, that was long before the town. The town became in 1830. I mean the lottery itself. That the lots were laid out and sold in 1790 about and John Carle bought those three lots for taxes. He sold one to his sister for $200.00 and he sold one to my grandfather for $200.00. But, they didnít keep it. They didnít keep the land. I donít own it today. They - they were probably hungry, too and had to have the $200.00.

Woman: Then how did Jerusalem get named Jerusalem?

Parks Carle: Jerusalem was - that was the story I told at Grange here the other night. Marilynís grandfather - great grandfather, Joseph Edgerly, was working beside the road and a man came along and said what are you doing, Joseph, and he said Iím building a new Jerusalem. And, that name stuck to the village and the road to it. The people in South Princeton call it the Jerusalem Road that connects South and West Princeton. We in West Princeton call it the South Princeton Road.

Woman: Well, thereís a fourth road then. Thereís three roads in existence that are used now and youíre saying the Jerusalem Road is also called the South Princeton Road from West Princeton, because we have the one going from Alexander to South Princeton, thatís called the South Princeton Road. The one from Woodland is called the South Princeton Road, and the one from Princeton is called the South Princeton Road. The people in South Princeton call them Alexander, Woodland and Princeton.

Man: Thank you Parks. Appreciate it very much.