LLOYD BLANEY
Stowell-Macgregor Mill

May 18, 1982


 

(Names and other words that could not be transcribed exactly are in italics. Unknown voices are referred to as ďmanĒ or ďwoman.Ē Comments, explanations, and additional names are in parentheses.)


 

John Dudley: This is Tape 90.1. Iím interviewing Lloyd Macey Blaney of Princeton, Maine, 22nd of January 1990. Now, Lloyd, when did you first go out to the Stowell-MacGregor mill?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Well, the wife and I - well, we wasnít married - we - I was up at their place up in Jackson.


 

John Dudley: Jackson?


 

Lloyd Blaney: That donít count, huh?


 

Mazie Blaney: No, just do - say about the Lemuel - - -


 

(Two people talking at the same time - canít be transcribed.)


 

Mazie Blaney: I worked there. I stayed there with Aunt Edie.


 

Lloyd Blaney: I was just coming back and forth.


 

John Dudley: Yes?


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes.


 

John Dudley: Well anyway, that was about 1930?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Three.


 

Mazie Blaney: Maybe Ď32.


 

Lloyd Blaney: It was cold. It was in the wintertime. I know that, because we came down on the bus and I almost froze - stopping here and stopping there down on the (indistinct word) Anyway, we got there and I stayed at my grandfatherís house.


 

John Dudley: Thatís - thatís the big - the big house?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Our big house. Yes. I stayed upstairs - upstairs with the - the fellows that cut wood - some Frenchmen that cut wood.

John Dudley: All right.


 

Lloyd Blaney: If you want to go with that, Iíll tell you.


 

John Dudley: What - now, when you say the big house, you mean the house that - - -


 

Mazie Blaney: Grampyís house.


 

John Dudley: Where - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: Her grandfatherís house.


 

John Dudley: Where Peter Sears built the camp later on.


 

Mazie Blaney: Um-hum.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes.


 

John Dudley: Or Green built the camp.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes.


 

John Dudley: Ok. You stayed upstairs. Now, what did you do? Did you cut wood?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Well, at first I was doing dishes - helping her. I - I wasnít hired, but Iíd go in and help them around - whatever they wanted and I - I helped the old fellow lug his wood for - you know, cut the wood for Mr. Herman and then Iíd lug the water for them - Iíd do that - and eventually I did get a job in the mill. At the first of it, they built a conveyor that went out from the mill with all the bark and all the waste, see and they built it of railroad iron and they went out and they - I started a fire and they wanted me to stay there and burn it as it come out. And eventually I got a job in the - on the dowel machine - on about a half inch dowel machine. I only worked there three or four days, something like that and then the snow got so deep and they couldnít do nothing. They had horses there only then but the snow was so deep that they quit the mill. But, I remember of going out and looking at the thermometer and it was down about 60 below zero, believe it or not.


 

John Dudley: Wow! Thatís worse than (indistinct word) - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: Way down as far as it would go.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Well, anyway, while I was down at the camp there, they was run out of food. So, I walked up to that store by the - up to the Airline Road and when I got up there by Bohannonís, there was these guys by a great big drift. I can see them now. And they was shoveling up - from the road up to another house and they were throwing it over - believe it or not, and I was going in snow clear to here.


 

John Dudley: Clear to your waist.


 

Lloyd Blaney: A-yuh, and I bet I was eight hours going up there and coming back. Easy coming down hill.


 

Mazie Blaney: Up hill all the way.


 

Lloyd Blaney: A-yuh. Well I stopped there and I brought - I wanted Arthur Harriman to let me have his snow shoes but he wouldnít, so I went up and I got a load of stuff and I lugged it down - all down hill. And, then a couple days after that I walked out - I went back up and I got a ride with - oh, the guy who had the - who was doing the - - -


 

Mazie Blaney: Charlie.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Huh?


 

Mazie Blaney: Charlie.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Huh?


 

Mazie Blaney: Charlie, oh, was it White?


 

Lloyd Blaney: No, no. No, it was a guy come from away. Had a great big - whatíd they call it? They called his plow the - the corkscrew. Oh, what was his name?


 

John Dudley: Was it a special kind of plow for plowing the roads?


 

Lloyd Blaney: No, no. It had a big plow, but when I got on the back of the truck that come along. I was standing up on the back. It had racks on it. I couldnít see over the snow - snow - snow banks. Now and again I couldnít see over them.;


 

John Dudley: On the side of the road.


 

Lloyd Blaney: All along the side of the road.


 

John Dudley: Wow!


 

Lloyd Blaney: A-yuh. Then the last time I walked in from - I went up - instead of going across the lake, I went up there and then I come down coming out into South Princeton down that way. But, I went down into Woodland. And, I was eight hours going down through there. So, you know (indistinct words).


 

John Dudley: I - I could say something about whether you were dedicated - dedicated to go to work down there or to see some young lady down there, huh?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Well, I - I wanted to work. I like to work. And - and one time I went down to - Tommy Foley used to take the food out. You know, the meat and stuff like that out.


 

John Dudley: From Prince - from Woodland?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes. He had a horse and he was down in Little Woodland and I was down there one day. I went to Calais one night - my father took me down and we picked up some clothes and stuff of Irv and Edie and I had quite a load on my back and they told me to go down to Little Woodland and have a ride up with Tommy Foley. But, it had snowed that night and it was blowing cold and I had a big sheepskin on and that snow was about that deep - about two or three inches deep and it was just like coarse sand. You take two ahead and one back.


 

John Dudley: Um-hum.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Well, I walked all the way down to Little Woodland - way down next to the river from there. And, he told me he wasnít going out that day. So, I kept on going and I walked out to Freddy Taylorís place. You know where Freddyís place is?


 

John Dudley: Right, top of the hill.


 

Lloyd Blaney: I went in there and got her mail and they wanted to give me some more stuff to lug. Well I took - I donít remember what I took now because it was a long time ago. But, I took some and they wanted me to take more and they got mad because I didnít want to take any more. But, I went down across the lake and when I got there Maizie said, ďWeíve got to go out and take the battery out of the car.Ē And, I said, ďI might as well walk home because I ainít taking the battery out of the car.Ē But - - -


 

Mazie Blaney: It was that cold that they did it - take it out, I guess. (Indistinct words)


 

Lloyd Blaney: I did go out after a while and take that battery out.


 

John Dudley: Humph.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Thatís about all.


 

John Dudley: Well, you mentioned living in - in the old house.


 

Lloyd Blaney: No, I didnít do it.


 

Mazie Blaney: I - I stayed there with my grandfather.


 

John Dudley: I just slept there.

(Lloyd Blaney and Mazie Blaney both talking at the same time - canít be transcribed.)


 

John Dudley: The cook house.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes, and - - -


 

John Dudley: Who else was staying in - in that big house at the time?


 

(Lloyd Blaney and Mazie Blaney both talking at the same time - canít be transcribed.)


 

Mazie Blaney: I think all - I think all the wood cutter boys was in the bunkhouse, not at the house because you see there was just two bedrooms upstairs and one downstairs. Now, that would be - just take care of us women folks upstairs. I think that they - they lived in the bunkhouse - going back and forth because there was no one boarded that I remember up to Grampyís because I was there until they got Thelma - about - when she - when they evidently had more men she needed more help - experienced help so Thelma - I took care of Thelmaís children and she took out and worked with her mother. (Indistinct words)


 

Lloyd Blaney: Well anyway, this - well, these French guys were upstairs and I watched him file his saw, and he filed his saw every morning before he went out. And they claimed they cut a cord of wood or more every day no matter how, you know, the snow was and them guys was cutting birch anyway.


 

John Dudley: Humph.


 

Lloyd Blaney: And, I guess thatís all I can tell you.


 

John Dudley: White birch?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes, white birch. School - school bars.


 

John Dudley: School bars. Well now, that house - when you say Grampy, Mazie, you mean Fred Harriman.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Fred Harriman, yes.


 

Mazie Blaney: Fred Harriman, yes.


 

John Dudley: And, at that time his daughter Edie was doing the cooking.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes.


 

John Dudley: And you helped her some. And then - - -

Mazie Blaney: And then she married - she was married to Jim Crouse.


 

John Dudley: Right. And then Thelma came out and helped her.


 

Mazie Blaney: Um-hum. Yes, she was working there when I was working taking care of Donaldís children and Thelma got upset because somebody kicked me in the stomach when I was tying his shoe. I give him a slap like I would my own brother or sister that did something wrong and I was fired on the spot, so Thelma had said donít leave until you see me because I want you right here taking care of these children.


 

John Dudley: Um-hum.


 

Mazie Blaney: But, he told me to go so I had to go home.


 

John Dudley: Family spat, huh?


 

Mazie Blaney: I never got a chance to see Thelma or Aunt Edie before I left. I - I went home by train. So that was the end of my little - working at Mr. Hartfordís.


 

John Dudley: Now, you took your - the French man was sharpening the saw - what kind of saw was that?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Oh, that was one of them - it was a - well, it was one of them - oh, they was big long saws. They was buck saws.


 

John Dudley: All right. With a wood frame or steel - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes, wood frame.


 

John Dudley: Wood frame. Buck saw. One man?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes. Only one.


 

John Dudley: - - - could work it.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes. I forgot the name of them now. They was - (indistinct words)


 

Mazie Blaney: They wasnít a cross-cut saw?


 

Lloyd Blaney: No. No, they was one-man saws. They was - they was good and long. Boy, them guys could use them.


 

John Dudley: Now, you mentioned Jim Krause. What - what did he do at the - at the mill?


 

Lloyd Blaney: I donít - - -

Mazie Blaney: He didnít work in the mill. He just worked - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: He didnít work in the mill.


 

Mazie Blaney: - - - worked around the cook camp. You see after he was - he went back to Woodland to work and Jim got all the wood and did all the - like, you know, bringing in - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: They didnít like me, anyway.


 

Mazie Blaney: - - - bringing in the food, like - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: I donít know why.


 

Mazie Blaney: - - - and for them to get ready. He just was - he thought probably he was the boss but he really wasnít. He was - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: Did you ever know Jim?


 

John Dudley: I remember Jim, yes.


 

Mazie Blaney: He was quite a character.


 

John Dudley: I remember Jim catching trout in the spring of the year along the edge of the lake there.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes.


 

Lloyd Blaney: You donít catch any more there now.


 

John Dudley: They caught one a couple weeks ago through the ice.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Did they?


 

Mazie Blaney: Oh, did they? Yes.


 

John Dudley: A week or so ago. Fletched it. Now, this - the mill was located near the brook.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes.


 

Mazie Blaney: Around the cook camp.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Right on the bank of the brook.


 

John Dudley: The - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: We got our water out of that brook.


 

John Dudley: Right. Not the spring, huh?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Spring, yes.


 

(Lloyd and Mazie talking at the same time -ďyes, springĒ and ďnot the brookĒ heard several times but impossible to transcribe.)


 

Lloyd Blaney: The spring was right there. They got the dish washing out of the brook and out of the spring they got their drinking water.


 

John Dudley: The drinking water.


 

Lloyd Blaney: That was a good spring.


 

John Dudley: Yes, it was.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Did you ever drink out of it?


 

John Dudley: Years ago. Itís salt in it, now.


 

Mazie Blaney: Has it?


 

John Dudley: Yes. What - where did this - this chain or belt go to take the waste you mentioned that they had you burning the - the waste.


 

Lloyd Blaney: It went right out the back of the mill and it didnít go out there over - if I remember right 150 feet - not probably that. Just so it wouldnít burn the mill down.


 

John Dudley: Did that go up the brook so to say?


 

Lloyd Blaney: No, it was in back. Nothing went - nothing went - no it was way away from there in back of the mill.


 

John Dudley: In back of the mill. Up near the sawdust pile.


 

Lloyd Blaney: (indistinct words) up near the sawdust pile, yes. But, I got that going so that it melted some of those railroad irons and they shut the mill down, you know, after that because it was - not on account of that but the snow was so deep they couldnít work.


 

John Dudley: Couldnít get in the woods.


 

Mazie Blaney: I donít - I donít think - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: I never went back after that, but I went to work unloading pulp wood off the trestles and in the mill.


 

Mazie Blaney: Do you know how many years it was there? One, two, three?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Oh, it was there quite a long time.


 

John Dudley: The mill?


 

Mazie Blaney: Um.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes.


 

Mazie Blaney: (Indistinct words)


 

Lloyd Blaney: (Indistinct words) was there quite a long time.


 

John Dudley: Well you said it started around Ď33.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Ď33.


 

Mazie Blaney: Probably Ď32 because you see - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: They had the mill - - -


 

Mazie Blaney: We worked there in Ď33 and they probably had it - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: They started it probably in 1932.


 

Mazie Blaney: They had to build that - they had to build that bunkhouse - the - the cookhouse because that wasnít already there, and - but the bunkhouse was there because it was the old Jewet place but - but they had to build a new camp.


 

Lloyd Blaney: The mill was already built when I got - when we got there.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes, so it was probably in Ď32 that it maybe first started. I - I would say it was.


 

Lloyd Blaney: She was supposed to come down and work helping Edie.


 

Mazie Blaney: But, she really, you know - Thelma wanted to help, so I - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: They fed you steak in the morning.


 

Mazie Blaney: I was just - - -


 

John Dudley: Breakfast steak.


 

Mazie Blaney: - - - I was just as happy taking care of the children as I was out there.


 

John Dudley: They - Horace indicated that the cookhouse was brought in.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes. It was a Quonset hut thing.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes. No. No.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes, yes, I think so, too.


 

John Dudley: Now, you mentioned you worked on a - a dowel machine. This was a turning lathe?


 

Lloyd Blaney: No, it was like a planer, like.


 

John Dudley: Like a planer.


 

Lloyd Blaney: It got these - they had to cut them in different - a different machine to get them - and then they went right through and the shavings came out and that and then the dowels came out.


 

John Dudley: They came out round.


 

Lloyd Blaney: No. No, no.


 

John Dudley: Square.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Square. All square.


 

John Dudley: Ok, bars.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Bars. Bars, yes.


 

Mazie Blaney: They took them as bars - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: Iím telling you they was just plain (indistinct words)


 

Mazie Blaney: How did they (indistinct words)


 

Lloyd Blaney: They took them just like that.


 

Mazie Blaney: How did they - how did they transport them over there - by truck?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes.


 

John Dudley: Are those - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: They took them up to - up country -it was Lincoln or somewhere. I donít know for sure.


 

John Dudley: Yes, Iíve heard that they took them to Lincoln.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Ayuh


 

Mazie Blaney: Ayuh.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Somewhere.


 

John Dudley: But before that they - they used to stack them in the fields down around there on the side.


 

Lloyd Blaney: They stacked them in the fields, yes, because they couldnít get in the way of the trucks at that time.


 

John Dudley: Yes.


 

Mazie Blaney: In the spring, I remember the last birthday cake I made for my grandfather. We were going to take it out to him. His birthday was April 30th and we couldnít get - we got out South Princeton Road but it was over beyond - over Kneelandís Hill that we couldnít get through - oH I guess we got through to Grampyís road and it was on that road - Pocomoonshine Road that the mud was so deep that we couldnít get through with our old car. And, we never got the birthday cake to him because of the conditions of the road so there was times that the road was impassable, you know. Not like now.


 

John Dudley: Quite a change.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes, I can remember that because we had a birthday cake for him and didnít get it to him.


 

John Dudley: So you were taking away from one of these - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: Well, Iíd only done that Iíd say - I canít remember. It wasnít very long before they took me off that.


 

John Dudley: A - a gang saw that had a whole bunch of blades side by side?


 

Lloyd Blaney: I couldnít tell you that Ďcause I was young.


 

John Dudley: Yes. You mentioned - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: They had different size machines. There was more than one machine. There was more than one. They made three quarters, I guess and so on and so forth. I donít know exactly. The one I was on I only worked it three or four days - something like that and they closed it down. The snow was too deep. That was 1933.


 

John Dudley: Ď33.


 

Lloyd Blaney: But they had a lot of different machines there. I - I canít remember those. Just the ones I worked on - just a little while, thatís all. But Coolidge White was there, I think or years afterwards.


 

John Dudley: Coolidge came down from - with their company - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: Oh, did he?


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes, he did.


 

Lloyd Blaney: I think youíre right.


 

John Dudley: The Dixfield area.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Dixfield, thatís - - -


 

John Dudley: Thatís where Stoll-McGregor still exists - still in business down there.


 

Mazie Blaney: Ayuh, un huh.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Dixfield is right. Yes.


 

John Dudley: You mentioned having steak for breakfast. What was the dinner like?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Well, Mazie, youíre the cook.


 

Mazie Blaney: Just - just ordinary - what - you know, like pot roast or something and - I donít remember the steak for breakfast but I know that she had - had meat - had it, you know, like at noon time.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Well, they had soup and stew and all that stuff.


 

Mazie Blaney: Stew and all kinds of - Edie - Aunt Edie was one of the most - best cooks in the county - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: She worked in a restaurant before she worked out there.


 

Mazie Blaney: She worked in a house - a boarding house or a restaurant - hotel up to Princeton before - before that went on, she worked up there as a - as a cook at the hotel.


 

John Dudley: Hum.


 

Mazie Blaney: And my - see my mother was born in Princeton, too. They lived in Princeton. Where they lived in Princeton was the old - old McKechnie place. It used to have cedars all along the front of it. Itís where Fred Mulhollandís house burned. He lived there and his place - and the place burned. It was an old fashioned house. But, thatís where my mother was born. - in there - in that old house. ĎCause thatís where Stormy - that is - we - we would come down through. She left Nigelís place and then of course she lived right over here for probably a year and then they moved to Alexander and my younger sister was born in Alexander up in the old Jewell place.


 

John Dudley: Did they - did they feed you cake or pie and all that.


 

Mazie Blaney: Oh yes.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Oh yes. Oh yes. Yes. Yes.


 

Mazie Blaney: Oh yes, she made beautiful pies and cakes. All kinds of desserts. Doughnuts - her doughnuts were - were really - we used to go out and visit her after the mill was gone in - in that part that was a shed from the old - Grampieís old house. We used to go out. She had a summer kitchen, you know, made out of the shed.


 

John Dudley: Um-hum.


 

Mazie Blaney: And, sheíd cook out there because it was cooler. She had a back door and a (indistinct words) kitchen and weíd go out there. First thing weíd get there weíd wander to her doughnut crock to see if she had the same doughnuts.


 

Lloyd Blaney: She was an excellent cook.


 

Mazie Blaney: Joyce Farmer and I and Bernie and Joyce all used to go out for weekends and first thing weíd do was see if Aunt Edie had a doughnut or not. She always had cookies and lots of stuff like that, you know. (indistinct words)


 

Lloyd Blaney: First time I ate - first place I ate muskrat - - -


 

Mazie Blaney: She was just like a mother to me, really.


 

John Dudley: Muskrat.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes.


 

Mazie Blaney: Stew..


 

John Dudley: That was served to the men or - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: No, no. That was Dr. Harriman.


 

John Dudley: Oh.


 

Lloyd Blaney: They had duck and they had muskrat.


 

Mazie Blaney: He wouldnít tell.


 

Lloyd Blaney: He wouldnít tell us what it was until after we were done eating. And, when he said that, boy. Well, that was all right. Iíve had it . Iíve had it since then.


 

John Dudley: Iíve never had that.


 

Lloyd Blaney: You never did?


 

John Dudley: No.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Muskratís clean, you know.


 

John Dudley: Yes.


 

Lloyd Blaney: People would eat it if they took the name off of it.


 

John Dudley: Yes.


 

Lloyd Blaney: They - they wash everything before they eat it. Clams, like that, yes.


 

John Dudley: .Do you remember the names of any of the people that were working out there during that time?


 

Mazie Blaney: John Hall.


 

John Dudley: .John - John Hall.


 

Mazie Blaney: From Machias and his son Philip Hall


 

Lloyd Blaney: They were from Machias.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes. And, Charley - what was his name? That - I - I - I think Charley - - -

Lloyd Blaney::.Did Everett Glidden work out there?


 

Mazie Blaney: I think so. I think so.


 

Lloyd Blaney: I think Everett Glidden did.


 

Mazie Blaney: Evan.


 

John Dudley: .Evan - Evan Glidden.


 

Lloyd Blaney: I think he did.


 

Mazie Blaney: I think so.


 

Lloyd Blaney: That was a long while ago, you know. (Indistinct words) about the meals. I know that. And - Did Tommy Long work there


 

Mazie Blaney: I donít know. I donít think so. I never heard of him - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: Some - some old fellow there that worked there.


 

Mazie Blaney: I donít know whether he would have or not.


 

Lloyd Blaney: What they had on the back of the mid - on, you know they had a conveyor running from the wood yard in and these guys would work out there putting them - that four foot logs on that conveyor and I think Tommy Long done that. I ainít sure.


 

Mazie Blaney: I donít know. I never heard Tommy talk about anything like that. He talked about his - the play - the piano they had down to the house. They bought it the same year as his father bought a piano. Played only (indistinct words)


 

Lloyd Blaney: I think Evan Glidden was the one that put the wood on. Oh, Hiram Sim - Simmons worked there.


 

Mazie Blaney: Oh yes. Both those Simmons brothers worked there, Hiram and - what was the other oneís name.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Hiram and -


 

Mazie Blaney: I think - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: They were twins. I know it was Hiram there that used to come in so hungry - the plates were upside down, and they had stew beef and heíd grab that bowl and put it - run it right over everything. Hiram Simmons and his brother - Herman.


 

Mazie Blaney: Herman.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Herman.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Theyíre both dead.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes. They lived right up across the lake down in that house way down where - Oh, I donít know. I got bit by a dog when I was up there. I went up to get the mail. There was this big German Shepherd and he - I was just holding my breath, you know and he knew I was afraid of him, I guess, because he bit me in the hip and broke the skin. I was really scared to death when he attacked me.


 

John Dudley: .That was South Princeton?


 

Mazie Blaney: Simmonsís, yes. Simmonsís dog. But, that place now belongs to - Oh, who is it? It isnít Meadows, but - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: What about his daughter? Donít - - -


 

Mazie Blaney: Meadows.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Whatís her name?


 

Mazie Blaney: Her daughter was a Meadows. Who was it? Who owns that place now?


 

Lloyd Blaney: That girl that went to school with Eleanor. What was her name? Her husband died.


 

Mazie Blaney: Leighton?


 

Lloyd Blaney: No. Yes, she married a Leighton.


 

Mazie Blaney: Ruby.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes, Ruby Clark.


 

Mazie Blaney: Ruby Clark.


 

John Dudley: .Ok.


 

Lloyd Blaney: The Clark place.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes.

John Dudley: .So, you had - you walked up on the ice to get the mail?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Who? Her? She never did, no.


 

Mazie Blaney: (Indistinct words) to get the mail?


 

Lloyd Blaney: I took the mail down to them.


 

Mazie Blaney: No, I never - I never went after the mail. I just went, you know, if they was driving up to the four corners or going to Woodland, or something like that. I remember - - -


 

(Lloyd and Mazie talking at the same time - canít be transcribed.)


 

Lloyd Blaney: - - - come out to Freddie Taylorís.. (Indistinct words) and I picked it up there. I didnít pick up none of the other peopleís mail. Just herís - from home, thatís all. The rest of it, I didnít bother with. I donít know how we ever did it, but I just stopped in there and picked up her mail - took it to her.


 

Mazie Blaney: Aunt Edie, I think, come up - took the other way up the Airline Road because it was nearer. Not many people walked across the ice to get the mail.


 

John Dudley: .But, but - - -


 

Mazie Blaney: He used the short cut down through there, you know.


 

John Dudley: .The time you got bitten by a dog.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes, we - we come up the lake.


 

John Dudley: .You came up the lake that time.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes.


 

Mazie Blaney: But - yes. I donít know - I - I remember get - going getting the mail because I had - I didnít get the mail there, but you see we had to go through their yard - the short cut - we went up to Freddy Taylorís.


 

John Dudley: .Right.


 

Mazie Blaney: Thatís where my mail come.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Did you ever walk up there alone?


 

Mazie Blaney: No, I donít remember it. You was with me there when the dog bit me.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Yes. We was going somewhere - home or something.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes, because we was going to get a ride out with Freddy Taylor or something. I never walked way to Woodland because I - I used to walk before I got, you know, old, but I never walked to Woodland.


 

Lloyd Blaney: I unloaded cars - five cars - - -


 

(Marie and Lloyd talking at the same time - canít be transcribed.)


 

Lloyd Blaney: (Indistinct words) truck to Woodland, I unloaded five cars of wood, walked up to (indistinct words)


 

John Dudley: .Thatís a long day.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Five hours.


 

(Lloyd and Mazie talking at the same time - canít be transcribed.)


 

Lloyd Blaney: Longer than that.


 

Mazie Blaney: You probably havenít - you probably remember - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: Around - around 90 cord of wood.


 

Mazie Blaney: Johnny Somersí cottage.


 

Lloyd Blaney: In five hours.


 

John Dudley: .Do you - do either of you remember the house across from the Johnny Somers place?


 

Mazie Blaney: No. I know there was a - a - a cellar over there but I never remember seeing that. Who lived there?


 

John Dudley: .Donít know.


 

Lloyd Blaney: There was somebody there.


 

Mazie Blaney: I know. I know there was a house. Somebody mentioned it to me, but to remember who, I donít know.


 

John Dudley: .The last one I remember in the Johnny Somers place was Arthur - used to come down and stay summers.


 

Mazie Blaney: Uh-huh, and then - then Aunt Edie left it - had left it to my mother, and now, my cousin - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: Leland Harriman


 

Mazie Blaney: Not Leland but Leonard Harriman in - I think heís in Mechanic Falls. He owns it, unless - unless they let the taxes go on it, but I donít think - - -


 

John Dudley: .Would he - would he have ever - - -


 

Mazie Blaney: You see he bought it from my father but it - it said in the will that it wasnít to be sold., but I didnít want it, and none of my brothers or sisters lived down this way and so Leonard bought it and he was going to build - Oscar, his half-brother was going to build a - you know, they were going to build a camp down there so theyíd have, you know, something to come to. But, after Jack - you see Jack Harriman had a cottage up beyond Mrs. Wallace. You know Mary Wallace out to South Princeton?


 

John Dudley: .Um-hum.


 

Mazie Blaney: Well, the last cottage up was Jack Harrimanís, my cousin


 

ohn Dudley: .Right.


 

Lloyd Blaney: (Indistinct words)


 

Mazie Blaney: And, his half-brother - his half-brother - he finally - when he died his children sold it to Mrs. Wallace. My - Merle and Noel wanted to buy it but she got to them first.


 

Lloyd Blaney: There was no right-of-way into it.


 

Mazie Blaney: No right-of-way, yes. You see, she - she really - they were really quite disagreeable at times when Jack - he couldnít go - you know, just when they - where they wanted him to. They made another road and he had to go on that and then he had to have permission lots of times, you know.


 

Lloyd Blaney: They put a bar across the road.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes, they put gates up and stuff, you know. They didnít want to be disturbed. And, then when the children decided to sell it, they - Merle had offered them, you know, to buy it but they wanted - they didnít let us know when they come down. They never come near any of us.


 

John Dudley: .Hum.


 

Mazie Blaney: His children.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Jack died and we never knew it.


 

Mazie Blaney: He took sick down there and I guess he thought we didnít care anything about him but we didnít even know that he was sick until they had decided to come down and got him instead of having someone from the corner call us and let us know. Weíve always had a telephone.


 

John Dudley: Yes.


 

Mazie Blaney: And, let us know that Jack needed help or - nobody said anything and - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: (Indistinct words)


 

Mazie Blaney: And he said - he said my sisterís here that lived in Richmond afterwards - after he got sick and he said no one down here cared for him when he was sick to help him out but we didnít know about it until after heíd gone home and my sister wrote and told me about it. Because we thought a lot of Jack. He used to come out and we used to go out there and go swimming, you know. He had this - this buoy with a line to go sunbathe.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Weíd go fishing.


 

Mazie Blaney: Weíd go fishing and we - we used to go out to Jackís all the time, but he thought we didnít care about him because he never let us know he was sick.


 

John Dudley: .Communication problem.


 

Mazie Blaney: Yes. Nobody let us know. That is a sore spot.


 

John Dudley: .Who - who was living there in that - at the time the mill was in operation. Johnny Somersí place?


 

Lloyd Blaney: Was there anybody?


 

Mazie Blaney: I donít think so. There was - how long - how long did Johnny Somers live there? I donít even when - now they must have - I - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: (Indistinct word) out there.


 

Mazie Blaney: I donít know. Grampy must have sold that to Johnny Somers. And, I really donít know. It looks as if - Johnny Somers never lived there. He used to come out weekends.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Oh yes, he lived - he come out weekends. Iíve been out there when - - -


 

Mazie Blaney: That and the - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: When they had the lights on and everything in there.


 

Mazie Blaney: That was taken when we was going up there. You know, we lived there for - from - we moved down here in July - June and we lived at that cottage from June until October before they got their stuff out of the house so we could move in.


 

Lloyd Blaney: (Inidistinct word) in here.


 

Mazie Blaney: So Alvin went to school for seventh grade up to the Four Corners Schoolhouse from October - he walked - there was people living in the Howell place where you live and he walked with those children to the four corners and back from September until October.


 

John Dudley: .And, that - that would have been - - -


 

Mazie Blaney: Until we moved and got in here.


 

John Dudley: .1948, something like that?


 

Mazie Blaney: Letís see, Alvin was born (indistinct words)


 

Lloyd Blaney: We come back here in 1946.


 

John Dudley: Ď46


 

Mazie Blaney: Ď46. Alvin was - had taken the 7th grade, but the teacher was very happy-go-lucky and she had a good time with the children and they didnít learn much so the principal said send him back - send him back another year because he was young anyway. He went before he was five. So he went to school at the old school house up on the four corners where my mother went to school for two months.


 

John Dudley: So it - it was here that you stayed during those two months?


 

Mazie Blaney: (Indistinct words while John Dudley was talking) Yes, thatís where we stayed. for two months. We stayed from June until - - -


 

Lloyd Blaney: October.


 

Mazie Blaney: October because we come back.


 

(Lloyd and Mazie talking at the same time - canít be transcribed.)


 

Mazie Blaney: Lloyd and - Lloyd and Alvin and Lorraine - she was probably two or three years old then and Alvin was - one day we lost her and Lennie MacArthur had a dog that came down visiting and heíd show his teeth just as if he was all - bare his teeth, you know. He was just smiling at you. But we thought - the first time he came right in the door - we had the door open - we thought that we was going to get ate up because there he was with all his teeth showing, you know. He was smiling at us.


 

Lloyd Blaney: Nice dog.


 

Mazie Blaney: And he went down to the lake this day and Lorraine - I heard her out playing - I was writing letters or something - doing something - and I heard this little shovel - she had a pail and shovel, and I could - and she was dragging that shovel along and I could hear her out playing and she was going to the lake. She followed the dog. No, she went to the lake and the dog was there that day and I - Alvin was at the blueberry field and I said ďAlvin, Lorraine has gone.Ē I said sheís gone. Weíve lost her. So, he came rushing up the blueberry field and low and behold the dog was there and he went down to the lake and we went down to the lake because thatís the first place that kid would go, and sure enough up the shore the dog went and he found her. She was up there playing with a friend, Rollins. Nothing happened to her but we were really - for a half an hour we was really quite scared.


 

Lloyd Blaney: I wonder - - -


 

(Mazie and Lloyd talking at the same time and canít be transcribed.)


 

Mazie Blaney: And, that was taken about the time we lived there, too, I think.


 

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