Grace Mahar Taylor
Pembroke Memories

May 17, 1985


 

(Names and other words that could not be transcribed exactly are in italics. Unknown voices are referred to as “man” or “woman.” Comments, explanations, and additional names are in parentheses.)


 

Jane Dudley: This is May 17th and Jane Dudley interviewing Grace Mahar Taylor.


 

Grace Taylor: They were in my house down home, and my things were brought up here, and made a copy of - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, of all - all the treasures - all - - -


 

Grace Taylor: Who gave them to me, and where they come from and my rings. I have beautiful rings.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: Diamonds, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And my history on those.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, my goodness.


 

Grace Taylor: My mother gave me most of them, and - and, you know, and then I bought some myself.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes,


 

Grace Taylor: And, but - I am a - was of course a school teacher.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, tell me about that, now.


 

Grace Taylor: And, I - of course I was born in ‘94. You know that.


 

Jane Dudley: You were born in 1894. Un huh.


 

Grace Taylor: And, and I - I was sick a lot. I don’t know. I was born in Charlotte.


 

Jane Dudley: You were born in Charlotte


 

Grace Taylor: In the ell - in my grandfather’s house on the farm.


 

Jane Dudley: And, the old home is still there. And, you own it still.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and I - at an early age - of course there was a farm up there, you know. And, at a real early age, I started asking him about (indistinct words) I would be about seven, and then we would come and (indistinct words) down home. But, I - I had scarlet fever among things. You know, when you (indistinct words) bad throat and my ears. And, so I was handicapped in a way, but, I was determined, you know, that I was going to do something


 

Jane Dudley: How old were you when you had scarlet fever?


 

Grace Taylor: I - I must have been in high school.


 

Jane Dudley: You were in high school.


 

Grace Taylor: And I’d do - I didn’t go to school until I was eight years old on account of the fever.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, you had that - you had scarlet fever before you were eight.


 

Grace Taylor: Oh yes. I was five years old when I had the scarlet fever, and it affected my ears, you know, so, and it - it - you know, I - my ears ached, you know, and of course, they kept me out of school, and then I - I was a home-body anyway, and I didn’t want to leave my mother. And, - but, I went to school when I was eight anyway. And, this home of mine was really a great home. You know, school - of course my home was really in iron-works time.


 

Jane Dudley: It was built when?


 

Grace Taylor: In iron-works time.


 

Jane Dudley: In iron-works time.


 

Grace Taylor: In 1832 - somewheres along there.


 

Jane Dudley: Uh-huh.


 

Grace Taylor: And, I used to - my school was right up on the hill from my home. And, of course, it’s all torn down, you know, and they - and so - but I used to play - play with the children that was in this home. (Indistinct words) And, you know I was so enthused over that place.


 

Jane Dudley: Would you let me see if this is working? I’ll see if - - -


 

(RECORDING STOPS AND THEN CONTINUES)


 

Grace Taylor: Well now, this - this - this home that I tell you about - I think I better be careful what I say. It had a picket fence all around it, you know, and little gates opening in and I fell in love with that place.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And I kept saying to myself, “I’m going to own that some day.” I said. And, so time went on of course and I graduated of course and then I went to normal school.


 

Jane Dudley: Where?


 

Grace Taylor: Machias Normal. And, I come out to teach, you know, thinking that I would teach a while and then go back, you know, and finish up. Well, I taught in Charlotte, and I boarded to the same place I was born in.


 

Jane Dudley: You did?


 

Grace Taylor: Grandpa owned it, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, yes. And, were your grandparents living then?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. My grandfather was. My grandmother was dead. He had married again.


 

Jane Dudley: And, you lived with them while you were teaching.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. I boarded in their home.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, of course that was - well, it was a good two miles off the main road, you know for Pembroke. This was on the blueberry land now, and he’s - he’s built a place on one of the cellars. But, he says it was on Grandpa’s, but it - it might have been my great grandpa’s, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, I see. Is that Jane Gillespie’s son who built that house there?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. And, I think it’s been (indistinct word) but I’m not sure of that, but there was two floors, anyway. And, they - he says it was on the old cellar. Well, it - it probably is on one of the cellars, but the place that was Grandpa’s - of course Grandpa owned all of it.

Jane Dudley: All of that land.


 

Grace Taylor: All of the land way down to the school post - blueberry land, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, he sold the - the place and the wood lots and moved all of it to St Regis and he came out here to Calais in his older days.


 

Jane Dudley: Do you remember how old - the dates of your grandparents? Your grandfather’s name was what?


 

Grace Taylor: My great - my great grandfather - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Great grandfather


 

Grace Taylor: Who I told you about probably - I - I don’t know (indistinct words) generation - but he was the first Mahar that came into Pembroke.


 

Jane Dudley: And what was his first name?


 

Grace Taylor: Edmond.


 

Jane Dudley: Edmond Mahar. And, you have it - you have his dates in your genealogy. You have it written down somewhere. You probably can’t remember off-hand what his dates were.


 

Grace Taylor: Well, he come - he come as a regular from Ireland.


 

Jane Dudley: From Ireland.


 

Grace Taylor: And, one of the things - - -


 

Jane Dudley: What is - what is a regular?


 

Grace Taylor: In the army.


 

Jane Dudley: Un-huh.


 

Grace Taylor: Just what they call now the first stage of the army.


 

Jane Dudley: Un-huh.


 

Grace Taylor: And, in Campobello under General Wolfe.

Jane Dudley: General Wolfe?


 

Grace Taylor: And he - - -


 

Jane Dudley: That’s W-o-l-f-e?


 

Grace Taylor: (Indistinct words) And, he was killed and so (indistinct words) He did and so after the - the storm and everything was over and the war, why (indistinct words) came around and up into Kittery and down into New Hampshire and down and as I have noticed in the - in my genealogy where that - it’s in - it’s in New Hampshire in the library - and he came down through and landed down on Leighton’s Point.


 

Jane Dudley: Leighton’s Point.


 

Grace Taylor: Well, Leighton was a man. He was there, too, and it was called Leighton’s Point and Mahar married one of the daughters and he - his point was called Mahar’s Point. Well, that was in 1970 - 1770.


 

Jane Dudley: 1770.


 

Grace Taylor: And, he - they just had log cabins, you know. There was Indians outside.


 

Jane Dudley: Did - did you come across the name of Hatevil or Havil?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes.


 

Jane Dudley: Jack is related to - - -


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. Right. Leighton.


 

Jane Dudley: How did they pronounce it?


 

Grace Taylor: (Indistinct words) I pronounce - I spell it H-a-v-e-l-l. I don’t know if that’s right, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Jack pronounces it “Hate-evil.” I don’t know if he’s kidding when he uses that pronunciation.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. Well, anyway, they had log cabins. They built log cabins. And, the Indians were there, and of course the Indians were prejudiced of everybody, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Who were coming in.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. And, so, these people were woodsmen, you know. They worked in the woods, you know, because there was a lot of wood, you know. And, so the women were alone and those Indians were going in and scalp them.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh my!


 

Grace Taylor: And, they crossed themselves and that’s all that saved them. You know, Catholic.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh.


 

Grace Taylor: And, of course, Indians - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, I see what you mean. The Indians crossed themselves.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes.


 

Jane Dudley: After they scalped them. And did - did Mahar lose his wife that way?


 

Grace Taylor: No. No. There’s a lot of my cousins buried down there.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, you know, and that was that family, because I went down there and got the - got the graves, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Do you know if a Leighton lost his wife. Did any of the Leightons lose - - -


 

Grace Taylor: No, they didn’t lose their wives then, because you see they crossed themselves and the Indians saved them.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh! Oh, I see. The women crossed themselves and the Indians being Catholic recognized that they were - - -


 

Grace Taylor: Of course the Indians - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Catholic, too.


 

Grace Taylor: Were Catholics, too, you see.


 

Jane Dudley: I see. I see.


 

Grace Taylor: And, so of course when people is writing up all these things like Pembroke was wrote up in the (indistinct words) you know, in the Centennial, why of course they didn’t mention these things, but it’s in the book that Mr. Leighton - one of the Leightons let me have. And, so I know whether it was true.


 

Jane Dudley: Do you remember the name of the book?


 

(Telephone rings. Tape stops and then starts again.)


 

Grace Taylor: That was my - that one was my great - I think the fifth continuation of - of course he had brothers and Bill Mahar, they called him, they owned just about all of Charlotte. Land and everything, you know. Blueberry land and everything.


 

Jane Dudley: That must have been before the Ayers - Ayers were in Charlotte.


 

Grace Taylor: Well.


 

Jane Dudley: Will Ayers?


 

Grace Taylor: Well it was a long time ago. I know that. But still it was in my day because we used to come through to Calais, Papa did, you know, and get the groceries and things from Salva. And - and, I think it was always awful cold.


 

Jane Dudley: In the - in the punt or the wagon?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and so they’d call in someplace - so and - and a pit over that - there was a - a - you can see it when you come by. It’s right by the railroad. There was a house in there - a white house and she used to take the men that worked in the pit - in the gravel pit, see.


 

Jane Dudley: She boarded them?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, she boarded them. And so, we’d go in there and I’ll never forget. She had made bread and oh-h she buttered bread for me and I’ll never forget it, and of course I was just a baby.


 

Jane Dudley: What was her name?


 

Grace Taylor: I don’t know.


 

Jane Dudley: Do you know the last name?


 

Grace Taylor: No.


 

Jane Dudley: No.


 

Grace Taylor: No, I don’t know, and - but Grandpa and my other great grandpa, and my great - my grandfather’s father owned all of that. There was a road that went in on The Lookup. Do you know where The Lookup is? You see it when you come through the roads.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: There’s a Lookup and he owned all of that in there and the farm, and I remember that because I was - - -


 

Jane Dudley: What - what great grandfather was that?


 

Grace Taylor: That was a - a brother to Edmund.


 

Jane Dudley: Do - a brother to Edmund. Do you remember his name?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, we called him Bill but his name was William.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, he owned all that and his - Grammy died a long time and I don’t remember Grammy at all, but he married a Dailey from over there and I remember her, you know. And, when we first - where Norman Day lives now, they bought it - among the children - (indistinct word) children. They just had - Uncle Lute lived there and that was Grandpa’s son by his last wife, Amy.


 

Jane Dudley: Uh huh.


 

Grace Taylor: And - and of course he had a lot of children. I mean from his - from the first wife, you see. And, I knew them all of course - know their names and everything. There’s just a lot of them, but - that isn’t taking down that, is it?


 

Jane Dudley: Yes


 

Grace Taylor: It is?


 

Jane Dudley: You want me - you tell me when you want me to turn it off. Shall I turn it off?


 

Grace Taylor: Well now, I ain’t going to tell you only teaching.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes, I’d love to hear about the teaching.


 

Grace Taylor: I taught in Charlotte. That was the last.


 

Jane Dudley: Um hum.


 

Grace Taylor: Shall I tell about - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: (Indistinct words) And, walked all that distance clean a-way down to that - - -


 

Jane Dudley: How many miles do you think that was?


 

Grace Taylor: Well I - I don’t know. I’ve got no idea.


 

Jane Dudley: About two or three?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, but I imagine it was three.


 

Jane Dudley: And, in the winter that was rough.


 

Grace Taylor: Well, I couldn’t take it in the winter. I tried to get a - a boarding place right handy to school but I couldn’t so I broke the contract and I went home and of course they kept coming after me to teach school somewhere else so I went to Williston to teach, and then I taught over there and I - and in the wintertime, I was, you know, with this throat and everything, I wasn’t too well. I am not now. And, so, I wanted a school at home. So, I just got a school at home, and I went down to the cove to teach and of course I had to board.


 

Jane Dudley: You said down to the cove.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes.


 

Jane Dudley: What cove?


 

Grace Taylor: Well, Art’s Cove.


 

Jane Dudley: Art’s?


 

Grace Taylor: Art’s (indistinct word).


 

Jane Dudley: How do you spell it?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and that was called Art’s Cove


 

Jane Dudley: Can you - can you spell it for me?


 

Grace Taylor: O-x C-o-v-e.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh. Ok. O-x C-o-v-e.


 

Grace Taylor: And, I taught down there and boarded quite a ways away - had to walk, but I - when they was consolidating the schools, see - and so the super - the superintendent was Mrs Andrews and she said she wanted to get me nearer home, you know, nearer the farm where Mama and Papa were, you know. So, they began to fix up at that time the Western School House and that’s right on the main highway. It was called the Western School House in Pembroke. So, they were fixing it up, consolidating, you know, the schools.


 

Jane Dudley: When you first started teaching, it was a one room school house.


 

Grace Taylor: Right.


 

Jane Dudley: And, how many students did you have?


 

Grace Taylor: Well, I don’t know as I - I - at this one I must have had probably with all the boys and girls together down there, and I must have had probably 12 or 14 or something like that, you know, as they did at a lot of schools.


 

Jane Dudley: How old were you on your first job?


 

Grace Taylor: When I first went teaching? Well, it was in 1912.


 

Jane Dudley: 1912.


 

Grace Taylor: I went to normal school and I came back and - and in my - I went to teaching.


 

Jane Dudley: What was the date of your birth?


 

Grace Taylor: Date of my birth was August the 21st in 1894.


 

Jane Dudley: 1894.


 

Grace Taylor: That would make me 91 in August.


 

Jane Dudley: August 21, 1894.


 

Grace Taylor: And, I - as I say, I went to Charlotte. My father, he always paid my board because I only got $6.00 a week in those days. And, you was janitor, you was everything. You had to open the schoolhouse up yourself and do all the work in there.


 

Jane Dudley: And, keep it warm?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and keep it warm.


 

Jane Dudley: Where did the firewood come - you didn’t go out and chop firewood, did you?


 

Grace Taylor: Pardon?


 

Jane Dudley: You didn’t have to chop the firewood, did you?


 

Grace Taylor: No.


 

Jane Dudley: That was supplied?


 

Grace Taylor: They would have the wood, but


 

Jane Dudley: The - the town?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, but you had to keep the stove with wood, you know. Keep it warm, and you - of course, you had to sweep the floors and dust and everything like that.


 

Jane Dudley: And, when you went there in the morning it was cold in the building, wasn’t it?


 

Grace Taylor: Right. Right.


 

Jane Dudley: And, you had to warm it up for them.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and - in that - in the Western District, they were fixing up the school, see, and in those days they used plaster, you know - not this board, because they didn’t have it. And, I went in the school when it was wet - you know, it wasn’t dry..


 

Jane Dudley: Oh.


 

Grace Taylor: I got asthma.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, boy.


 

Grace Taylor: I couldn’t walk from the schoolhouse down to my boarding place the last of it, and so when the school closed - vacation - I was taken with “bronichal” (bronchial) pneumonia. And -


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, Grace, that’s terrible.


 

Grace Taylor: And, I was up there with Mama and Papa of course on that farm that I gave you the picture of, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, from there on, they waited two weeks for me because she wanted me to teach so bad because I was a good teacher because of my conclusion of normal school - there was Snell girl - Hattie Snell - I don’t know whether you knew Hattie Snell or not.


 

Jane Dudley: The name is very familiar.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. She was Doc Snell’s daughter. And, she came through and she picked out my school as being was the best school in all those schools.


 

Jane Dudley: Isn’t that great.


 

Grace Taylor: You know. Out for reading and everything.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, so she - so as I say, they waited two weeks because they wanted me to teach and they were going to put me over to the Crossroads, and that was right across from my home - from Mama’s home - the farm - where I could come (indistinct word) - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Very easily.


 

Grace Taylor: Across, you know. I just couldn’t do it. I was sick. So, I had to go to the doctor’s of course and he said that I had tubercular of the throat.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh.


 

Grace Taylor: Well, that of course ended my career - my teacher’s career, which I intended to make it a career.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: I - I - and - and I was going to have that home, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And during my teaching I - I got everything ready. My - the farm had a great big ell (indistinct word). And, Mama made sheets for me and pillow cases. I was going to have that home regardless. I didn’t care anything about getting married.

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: You know, I wanted the - I wanted the - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Independence?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. I wanted to be independent.


 

Jane Dudley: You’re a modern woman.


 

Grace Taylor: And, I wanted to be to myself, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: Because I wanted that home, and so anyway I had the - I had furniture and everything for a five room house. And, so of course we - with nurse’s care - Mama was a practical nurse, and we lived on the farm and we had (indistinct word) - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Good food.


 

Grace Taylor: Cream and everything, you know. They nursed me back to pretty good health, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, then of course I went to dances, you know, and I met this - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Uh-huh


 

Grace Taylor: Melvin Taylor. Well, he was lots older than I was and - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Grace, you must have been an awful cute little girl. You’re so tiny. You’re so - how tall are you?


 

Grace Taylor: That’s what everybody says.


 

Jane Dudley: How tall are you, Grace?


 

Grace Taylor: I’m - I’m - and so I - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Grace, how tall are you?


 

Grace Taylor: I don’t know. I think five feet and something.

Jane Dudley: Yes, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: You know - - -


 

Jane Dudley: How tall was he?


 

Grace Taylor: Well, he was taller than I was. He was about as tall as George.


 

Jane Dudley: Um hum. George is tall.


 

Grace Taylor: And, so I - I didn’t have any idea of getting married, you know. This was the farthest from my mind. I wanted that home and I wanted it furnished just as I wanted it and I - - -


 

Jane Dudley: You wanted to be the boss of it?


 

Grace Taylor: I wanted to be the boss of it.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: But, anyway I got married in 1915.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh.


 

Grace Taylor: And, we stayed up home here.


 

Jane Dudley: With your parents.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: (indistinguishable words) thirteenth and that (indistinguishable words) and so we stayed there (indistinguishable words) all those - furniture, you know, and things I wanted to get up for home. But, I couldn’t get that one because people were in it. And, so - even - somebody comes along the railroad down there and so he took a job on the railroad. And - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Did the railroad go in then, or was it - had it been there? Was it new? Was the railroad new then?


 

Grace Taylor: Well, no, it wasn’t new. But, it- you know, it - - -


 

Jane Dudley: At Ayers’ Junction.


 

Grace Taylor: At Pembroke, yes.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, the -well, the station was just up a ways from this dream home of mine and also the place that I went in. Well, we put down to a place way down on - it was called Eastport Hill, and - Oh, I was homesick, you know. And, I wouldn’t unpack a thing. Not anything at all.


 

Jane Dudley: You were a little mommy’s girl.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. And, so - and I couldn’t walk up home because they lived on their farm, you know, way up there in the end. They bought that place in 1909 and I had two years in high school, you see. And, (indistinguishable words) I really was sick, you know, with homesickness. And, I’d walk up one day, you know, and the other day. I’d stay - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Overnight, and you would - - -


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and so a - a - a great friend of mine, the Wilders - Mr. Wilder and I think - and what - I always - when I was home - I was sort of baby like, you know. And so, he came out one day when I was walking up home and he said, “Now, Grace, I know that you’re awful homesick.” He says, “If I turn out these people in this little home,” he said, and it was - it was rented, too.


 

Jane Dudley: It was what?


 

Grace Taylor: It was rented, you know. And, it was a little red house, I remember. And - - -


 

Jane Dudley: That’s not your dream house? Is that your dream house?


 

Grace Taylor: No.


 

Jane Dudley: No. Ok.


 

Grace Taylor: And, so - “Oh,” I said, “Mr. Wilder, I don’t think it’s big enough for the furniture I got.” “Oh,” he says, “You come down.” He says, “We’ll make it.” And, of course I knew the place because I had played there, too with the children that lived there. So I went down and you know there was a little bedroom and a pantry. They made them funny those days, you know. Right then I said, “Well, if you take out that partition - partition,” I said - - -


 

Jane Dudley: You could get your furniture in.


 

Grace Taylor: (Speaking the same time as Jane Dudley so some words impossible to transcribe.) - - - my dining room set. And, so he fixed it all up for me, and I rented that off him and I was really happy. And, it was right side of the railroad. He didn’t have to work very far.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: Right up there.


 

Jane Dudley: And wasn’t he a lovely man?


 

Grace Taylor: And, so I walked - I - then I stayed there a couple years, but I was longing to get to that place down there. It was down below me. And - no, down below this little red house. So, our station agent had moved then, Mr. Miner. He’d come from the other side of - of the river, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: In New Brunswick.


 

Grace Taylor: The Pennamaquan River went right up hill from town.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh.


 

Grace Taylor: And, this happened to be Lincoln Avenue that the guy was living on, and so people that lived in the other side of that house had bought a place. They wanted a place. He was the foreman on the railroad and he wanted a place, you know, so he bought a place. So, just the minute he moved out I went down to Mr. Miner and I said to Mr. Miner. I said, “You know when you sell this place, I want you go give me the first refusal.” Well, he was station agent. I never, never thought he would ever go, you know. But anyway, he said, “Why don’t you move down on the other side of that house.”


 

Jane Dudley: Were there two apartments in the house? Were there two family house or what?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, yes. It was a double house.


 

Jane Dudley: I see.


 

Grace Taylor: Seventeen rooms.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, my lord.


 

Grace Taylor: And, it’s all furnished down there.


 

Jane Dudley: You still have it.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. I brought up what I (Indistinct words). And, I brought up all the dishes and things, you know, and George brought some of the furniture up. It’s all furnished down home. (Indistinct words.)


 

Jane Dudley: Seventeen rooms.


 

Grace Taylor: (Speaking the same time as Jane Dudley so some words impossible to transcribe.) - - - bedroom and so I still (indistinct word) that. So, my father and his truck wagon and his horse moved me down there. And, I knew I was right handy to their place. I loved it.


 

Jane Dudley: And always happy.


 

Grace Taylor: George says well how can you love something like that, but that - I - I - - -


 

Jane Dudley: And was George brought up in that house?


 

Grace Taylor: George, yes.


 

Jane Dudley: But he doesn’t have the same feeling you have?


 

Grace Taylor: I think he does.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, that’s good.


 

Grace Taylor: I - I don’t know, but I’ll - I’ll go down and I’ll say “Well, I guess I’ll take this up here. I guess I’ll take that up home. (Indistinct words) room for it, George. Stay right there. And, so I think he does. You know. And, so Mr. Miner came in one day and he said to me, he said, “Grace, I’m moving away.” He says, and he says, “You’ve got first refusal on the place.” And, (indistinct words) And, he says, “Well, I’ll tell you when I’m going.” He says, “In two - two weeks. You know (indistinct words). And, that house was all to pieces. (Indistinct words) one thing, you know, nobody fixed it up. I started - I bought double windows and I fixed it - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, when you bought the house it was in (indistinct words). You had to do a lot of work.


 

Grace Taylor: (Indistinct words) Oh, you know there was a - there were doors - there were doors that were pink and one of them was blue, and some (indistinct words) there wasn’t any, and there was some - they kept a cow and they had shelves all along the windows, you know, for the pans. And, they had - there was an archway went - right in the middle of the place where they built on - at least somebody had - on to it. It wasn’t them because they didn’t fix it up. And, they had pans you know all along that. And, that - (indistinct words) I took my new training at Machias.


 

Jane Dudley: You did?


 

Grace Taylor: I bought - I came to Mother (indistinct words) I did everything.

Jane Dudley: Oh, my!


 

Grace Taylor: And, cook. I was a great cook. I made wedding cakes from here to Massachusetts. My mother was a beautiful cook. We had - we had hotels, you know, and - - -


 

Jane Dudley: I want to be sure that we’re getting all this. This is good. Oh, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, and, I went out in the shed and I got the ax and I come in and I gave that one hit, you know, and it dropped right down in the middle of the floor. And, I went down and got a -a carpenter to come up and he fixed my kitchen like (indistinct word). And, there wasn’t a - there wasn’t a whole pane of glass in that whole place, and there’s windows galore into it. There’s four windows all across the front.


 

Jane Dudley: Weren’t there people living in there?


 

Grace Taylor: Well, the kids, you know, break the windows and everything - that lived there., and of course it was rented.


 

Jane Dudley: And, they didn’t - and, they didn’t bother to replace them.


 

Grace Taylor: Oh, no. I put all those windows in, and the doors that didn’t have any doorknobs on them - I put on new doorknobs and in nine - in - in 1926 I went - I went to the town and got a permit to take boarders.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh Lord. I guess you did.


 

Grace Taylor: And - and, I’d take teachers you know from the high school that was there, and I’d take transients that came, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: And, that’s when Mr. Gereau came.


 

Grace Taylor: Hum?


 

Jane Dudley: Mr. Gereau came. Mr. Gereau came from - came from (indistinct word) that you told me about and he stayed with you.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and - and - so I - no that was (indistinct words) I did that work all myself. And, I wanted to fix up that home. Now, you know people that has one track minds, but I have every track I guess because I could do everything. I could - when I was home and up on the farm, of course, I made butter, and I - and I would go out in the hayfield and help my father hay and help get the gardens in, and that place was rocky, you know, and we - Papa and Mama and I picked all those rocks out of that place. All clear land - that was 65 acres. And, piled them up in a rock pile, you know. Oh, I just - I loved the home, you know. And, so, Melvin - Melvin and me, well, we had a good home and when he - and when he retired that’s all he had to do was cut in the chair. You know, of course he paid the electric light bill and he paid, you know, (indistinct words) and you know, and some groceries, you know - - -


 

Jane Dudley: The taxes.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, but I - he didn’t seem to care too much for fixing up a home, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Good thing you could.


 

Grace Taylor: Wouldn’t - some people are like that, you know. And, so anyway, I in ‘42. The jobs was done in ‘31, and I had - I know that I had ten men there, and you know they were all - they were Hydro, and they were telephone men, too, even in those days because I used to more - and so first I got (mumbled words) night with George the boarders went. You know, they were through their work. They - they worked down at the iron works there. Of course it wasn’t the iron works then, but they was putting in those big boilers, you know, and things. And so, of course I had to have a cesarian. I was so small, you know, and then I - well, just say that I couldn’t have no children. I was married 16 years, but during this time to get well, Dr.Webber was my doctor - old Dr. Webber.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, he wrote prescriptions for me, and then I had to have Dr. House because he was sick. And, of course when I was 12 years old I was operated on. My ear, I had a growth in it. And - sinus, and I had my throat burned out. They called it burned out. I had - I had two doctors. They was Dr. Cranston and Dr. Rabba I remember (indistinct words) And, those days Dr. Rabba was a (indistinct word) doctor. He did everything, you know. He even fitted me with glasses. I had to put glasses on when I wrote (indistinct words) You see, we didn’t have electric lights. They didn’t have them in Pembroke then. You know, just lamps.


 

Jane Dudley: It was dark, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: When I got over to school, they had the lamps and they were giving me a headache. I had a headache all the time so Dr. Rabba fitted me with glasses - nose glasses. I have them, yet. I let Jody have them, though - - -


 

Jane Dudley: You do?


 

Grace Taylor: - - - because Jody is a doctor. George’s boy.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, is he?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes.

Jane Dudley: He must love to hear you talk about this.


 

Grace Taylor: He - he - why Jean told me the other day, “Why don’t you write this all down?” I said “Well - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Take forever.


 

Grace Taylor: (indistinct words) I said and - but, (indistinct word) went to Bowdoin College and of course I couldn’t go and I told him about getting (indistinct words) this is one of my relatives, Gerald. His name was Gerald and we called him Geddy. He went to Bowdoin and he has a library in his name over there, and he come to see grandpa, and the genealogy is over there in Bowdoin College.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, is it.


 

Grace Taylor: In the college.


 

Jane Dudley: Well, that’s great.


 

Grace Taylor: I - I - I never seen it, but I - I know because Geddy come - because he come up home when Grandpa was there and George was born then when I took care of Grandpa. And, so George went to Bowdoin and graduated from Bowdoin - four years and then he went to the New England School of Optometrists and he graduated from there in March. And, then they gave him a - you know to go practice, they put him in a veteran’s hospital in Roxbury - West Roxbury - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Oh.


 

Grace Taylor: - - - to practice. Now he’s got waiting for him in Augusta patients to - He’s decided he’s going to set up in Augusta.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh.


 

Grace Taylor: And, he graduated from there in March. He married Jeannie Wood. Jack and Jean Wood’s daughter.


 

Jane Dudley: Un, huh.


 

Grace Taylor: And, I have his picture there. And, I have all my pictures around.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes, I see you have. Oh, isn’t he handsome, and she’s pretty.


 

Grace Taylor: He’s just wonderful, and so now his name is Doctor George M. Taylor.


 

Jane Dudley: Isn’t that lovely!


 

Grace Taylor: Junior.


 

Jane Dudley: That’s lovely.


 

Grace Taylor: And - and, George named him George M. Taylor, Sr. And, my name is Grace M. Taylor. And, I said to - - -


 

Jane Dudley: The same initials.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and, I said to - I said to George, I said, “That’s a lucky name.” I said, “It’s lucky.” It’s true. I’ve been blessed all through my life. But - I - I - I’ve loved my name. I’ve loved my hair. I’ve loved all the clothes. My mother was a dressmaker, too, and made my clothes. And, I’ve had - - -


 

Jane Dudley: You appreciated everything.


 

Grace Taylor: I have.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: God made me just as I wanted to be.


 

Jane Dudley: Isn’t that beautiful.


 

Grace Taylor: I - I - you know, I - lots of people don’t like their name. I heard a woman say the other day she didn’t like her name. And, I - I - I can’t go along with it.


 

Jane Dudley: What was your middle name?


 

Grace Taylor: Gertrude.


 

Jane Dudley: Gertrude.


 

Grace Taylor: Grace Gertrude.


 

Jane Dudley: G. G.


 

Grace Taylor: And - and my father’s sister, Aunt Maudie Mahar, named me. And - and, I love every bit of myself.


 

Jane Dudley: That’s beautiful.

Grace Taylor: And, of course, I didn’t want to be sick, but I just thought, “Well, that’s the way it must be.” That’s the way it’s supposed to be.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: If it wouldn’t, I wouldn’t have been that way. But, I’ve done very well being sick all the time You know, I’ve done very well to hang out, because there’s been times when (indistinct words) After Dr. Webber went, I had his son. He gave me a caesarian and you know, I - the doctors all told me I’d have to have a caesarian. But, you know, when (indistinct words) I thought it was something. I didn’t know much about it and I thought it was something that, you know, that was just a money game. And so, I just thought to myself, “Well, I’ll just tell the nurse and might get sick right at home here.”


 

Jane Dudley: So be it.


 

Grace Taylor: Well, that wasn’t right for me to do that because I was sick from a Thursday on to Sunday. And, Dr. Best come over and saw me - - -


 

Jane Dudley: (Indistinct words)


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, he come over and he said, “Grace, (indistinct words) to do.” He come over every day. He’d call up and say, “I’m coming over, and talk with you.” Everyone was so good to me. I don’t know. And, so I think funny - well, I think people’s kind of funny when they’re caring for each other. Well, anyway, they - their mind is somewhere else. And, I said, “Well, I’m going to stay home.” He says, “Well,” he says, “you know, the doctors.” And, I was going to a chiropractor doctor you see after Dr. Webber went. I had - I was so (indistinct word) after doctors. It was (indistinct words) And so my father had been awful sick and he had been in the hospital twice and when he came home he was sick, you know, and I - I moved to Calais. Uncle Ralph and Uncle Hubbard and all of them was up here, you know, his brothers. And, they sent him down tracts with this chiropractor had come into town from Sweden - him and his wife. And, he was - well, he was (iindistinct words) and he was doing an awful lot of good work. And, so Papa wasn’t well and so I - I went to see him at that farm, you know. He had cows and small stock and hens, you know, and horses and everything. And, so I pleaded with him. I said, “There might be a bone which is hidden somewhere that’s making you ill like this.” And he says, “Well, I can’t go, Grace,” he says, “because I’ve got all these cows, you know, and everything.” I says, “Well, I’ll come right up here and stay and do everything,” I said. So, he - he went to the chiropractor. He had to stay up here all winter and - and he had to go every day, but they guaranteed him a cure and he never was sick after that. Died of old age, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, everything. And, so I started in because I had this bone up in my back. I got it hanging May baskets.

Jane Dudley: Now, how did that happen?


 

Grace Taylor: To a little boy, and there was some kids around there. That was when we lived down town. And, there was some kids around there and they were playing hide and go seek and everything and they run right into me when I was going across the street and knocked me - knocked me down. Oh-h, my ear bled and my nose was broken and - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Your nose was broken.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and they picked me up and took me in the house and this big bone in my back was out, and of course that was disturbing everything, you know, as I grew older. And, so we had the doctor, old Dr. Rogers. And, old Dr. Rogers was a relative of mine because he had been a Mahar. You see our ancestors came - - -


 

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Grace Taylor: And, you know, one of the - one of the Mahars was one of the first settlers with the Leighton, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And well, of course, they, you know, multiplied and - and - and married - intermarried - intermarriage, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And that. And, so Dr. Rogers married a Mahar and he was a relative. I don’t think there’s - there’s hardly a single person in those days that wasn’t a relative.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, so - as I said I went to that chiropractor, and do you know, he knocked me right out. And - putting this bone back. And, he - when I - he carried me out and put me on - laid me - carried me and laid me on the couch. He carried me out and laid me on the couch and he went to get some water. When he come back I was right up on my feet.


 

Jane Dudley: Now, were you pregnant then?


 

Grace Taylor: No.


 

Jane Dudley: No. That’s good.


 

Grace Taylor: And so - no, those were the early days, you know. And - - -

Jane Dudley: How old were you when this happened? About?


 

Grace Taylor: About then? I wasn’t any more than seven.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, you were little then. Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And as time would go on, you see, I got sick, too. And, of course my ear was bad anyway. And - and so, then he said, “I was awful sorry.” Oh, I was married when I went to him. I guess I was 22 or 23 years old before I got married. And, so - because I wanted my father to go, you know, and so we come up on the train in them days. In 1921 my father and mother and I - myself bought a car.


 

Jane Dudley: 1921 your first car. Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, that’s right. It was a Ford. And, so - then I - of course I could bring - and from there on - that doctor went away and Dr. Manson came in.


 

Jane Dudley: The Swedish doctor went away.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. And, Dr. Belvin came on, the first doctor.


 

Jane Dudley: He was the one who fixed your back, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, so then I went to - went to Dr. Manson. We had to go three times a week, I guess, and - to him. (Indistinct words) and everything else, you know. And so then, of course he - he wanted to retire and he brought in some others from Africa. They were the Thompsons. And - - -


 

Jane Dudley: From where?


 

Grace Taylor: From Africa. They came from Africa.


 

Jane Dudley: All the way from Africa.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, but they were all citizenry. What I mean, they were white people.


 

Jane Dudley: They were white Africans.


 

Grace Taylor: They came and their names were Thompsons. They were two brothers. And of course, I had to have them, you know. And, I know, that they - come down home. I don’t know how many times Dr. Manson come down home. I had three - I had pneumonia three times under Dr. Manson. In this dream home of mine.


 

Jane Dudley: In your dream home.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. And he would come right down home. And George had all these kids’ diseases, of course and - and - and Dr. Manson would come down to him. And, so we went to Dr. Manson and I would take - he’d come up every Saturday after we got down to once a week. He’d come - when I had the car I would drive winter and summer and through ice and everything. And, I - I - I wouldn’t do it now.


 

Jane Dudley: I don’t like to drive on ice, either.


 

Grace Taylor: And so then Dr. Manson, he retired and I continued with these Thompsons and they come down. Dr. Thompson came down. I was taken sick. George was married then, too, lived down by the bridge in that green house. And, I was taken sick and George says, “You’re always taken sick on a holiday.” You know, and - you better get that down. You can take things out of that, can’t you?


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, well, I - I - I don’t know quite what you mean by taking them out. You mean, leave it out some way? Perhaps. It would be hard to find.


 

Grace Taylor: Hum?


 

Jane Dudley: It would be hard to find in there.


 

Grace Taylor: Oh, I see. Well, anyway, and I - seems to me I was taken sick anyway and they were up here and he expected me up for Christmas, see?


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, so, of course they always came down home.


 

Jane Dudley: I didn’t realize I had my glasses - black glasses on.


 

Grace Taylor: And, so Thompsons come down. Mr. Thompson come down home. George went after him - went after him and told him to come down home. I was taken with the asthma.


 

Jane Dudley: Uh-huh.


 

Grace Taylor: And, I couldn’t speak out loud. And so they brought the doctor down and he come down. And he said to me, “You going up to George’s tomorrow?” I said, “Oh no, I’ll never be able to go up there tomorrow.” He said, “Well, you’re going.” And, I was over it in the morning. He took (indistinct words).


 

Jane Dudley: For heaven’s sake.

Grace Taylor: And, he come down once again. Then I had to have another doctor. He was called Mr. Randall. The Thompsons went home. He - one of them married a girl over there and they went home. And, Dr. Randall came in his place. And, Dr. Randall wanted to come to St. Stephen, you know, to practice and Dr. Manson was going to help him, you know, and well, he come over. And, I had to change him. I didn’t like that, you know. But, however, I was - I was taking care of my mother then at the vegetable farm. Her age, you know. And so - - -


 

Jane Dudley: She lived in your dream house.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and so I - I was - I was up cleaning the cobwebs and oh, I took awful sick. I didn’t know what was the trouble. It just seemed so my head was big as two heads and - and everything. And, I got down from there. And, I said to Mama - (indistinct words) I said, “I don’t feel well.” I said, “I guess I’ll have to go to Calais.” And so I called up to see if Randall was in, you know, and he had a place down on Main Street there, and oh, icy and a storm - terrible. And, the man said - that was there - the man that had a little store there and he was upstairs you know. And I said - he said that Dr. Randall wasn’t coming in today . He said it was so icy he can’t get in. Well, as I said to somebody, “You know me.” So, I called Clint Jones, and he said “What’s the trouble?” I said “Well.” He said “How do you feel?” I told him. He said, “You go right to bed.” That was on Thursday. And so, Mama was able to see about things, you know, and - and I went to bed. He said, “Well, I’ll come (indistinct words) just as quick as I can.” So, he didn’t get down there until Saturday and I was still in bed. And, he - five o’clock he drove in and he gave me an adjustment. And, I said, “What was the matter with me?” He said, “You had high blood pressure and I was afraid of a shock.”


 

Jane Dudley: Oh my goodness.


 

Grace Taylor: And, I haven’t had high blood pressure since.


 

Jane Dudley: Wonderful.


 

Grace Taylor: That’s what they can do for you. And, I don’t take any medicine.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, that’s great.


 

Grace Taylor: Nothing. I couldn’t take aspirin. I’m allergic to all those things. And, so - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Tell me - - -


 

Grace Taylor: He - he died, too. And, then Dr. Beckman come in that I’m going to now.


 

Jane Dudley: Tell me about when the first telephones went in or when the lights first went in. (Indistinct words)


 

Grace Taylor: Well they didn’t go until about maybe 1920 around there. A man came in there, that is up on our - up on the farm.


 

Jane Dudley: Um-hum. Your father’s farm.


 

Grace Taylor: But, I had - my place. I had lights before they did up there - - -


 

Jane Dudley: I see.


 

Grace Taylor: because they - - -


 

Jane Dudley: They were so far in.


 

Grace Taylor: - - - decided they’d have lights, you know. But, they of course were way up by the - by the railroad station and I had wired my place.- and I hired a - - -


 

Jane Dudley: 17 rooms.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. We hired a - a - a - electric light man, you know, to come and of course he had to have another man because, oh well they grumbled about you know because the - - -


 

Jane Dudley: So, you were the other man.


 

Grace Taylor: And, it was all done with the - with those porcelain things, too. Every beam and - the man told me - of course I knew this fellow. Nice boy he was. (Indistinct words) And, I - he come over and he says, you don’t - you didn’t have to hire another man because she took the place, and I - and that was when I first went into that place. My place was the second place that was wired. Carol Fisher’s was the first place.


 

Jane Dudley: The Fisher house?


 

Grace Taylor: And, my place was the next.


 

Jane Dudley: Was that the same Fisher house that was in the - - -


 

Grace Taylor: My dream home.


 

Jane Dudley: Hum?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes it was my - - -


 

Jane Dudley: It was your dream home.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes.


 

Jane Dudley: The Fisher house you were talking about was the first one, you said.


 

Grace Taylor: Well - the - the - the farm, there, they didn’t get that until afterwards.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, I’m - I’m speaking of the picture I had in the - the stereo - - -


 

Grace Taylor: That - that was the farm.


 

Jane Dudley: That was the farm.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes.


 

Jane Dudley: And, they got it later. They didn’t - - -


 

Grace Taylor: They got - no. They didn’t - -


 

Jane Dudley: That wasn’t the first one.


 

Grace Taylor: No, they wouldn’t go up by there, see.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, so there was a man - - -


 

Jane Dudley: There wasn’t a road like now.


 

Grace Taylor: A man - a man came and he lived in one of the places up there and he was thunderstruck because they didn’t have lights, you know. So, they said well, there wasn’t enough up there to do it. But, he got up and paid for it. And, they decided they would have lights. But, Mama and Papa was too old then. They didn’t want things disturbed. I would have had it wired for them, you know. But, they didn’t want to get into it - so it went. That way. I -I- I can see that little shelf with ten lights on it. One from a little one. I’ve got the little one myself. It was mine that I used to take to bed with me, you know. And, I told some of them - some of them I have, you know, here. And, but you know older people - I’m not like that. I’d just as soon have things (indistinct words) you know, but they were, you know - - -


 

Jane Dudley: They were different, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: They were old.


 

Jane Dudley: They were accustomed to that.

Grace Taylor: Yes, and so that was it. Well, and I go to Dr. Beckland, now. He comes over here.


 

Jane Dudley: Good.


 

Grace Taylor: Because I haven’t my car. I sold it.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes. Well, what about when the telephone went in? Did the telephone go in after the lights or before?


 

Grace Taylor: Before.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes, and one of the doctors had the first telephone line, didn’t he? Was it Dr. Bunker who had the first one?


 

Grace Taylor: I don’t know.


 

Jane Dudley: It seems to me I heard a story about that.


 

Grace Taylor: Probably.


 

Jane Dudley: That he had the telephone poles put up.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes.


 

Jane Dudley: And, that the last one was taken down a couple of years ago.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. Well, I know Mama and Papa had the telephone. It was one of those old brass ones that was on the - on the wall.


 

Jane Dudley: On the wall, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and - they had that and of course and then I got it. Of course the man had the telephone right there so - in my place, that I bought. Well, as I was going to tell you, in - in ‘42, I was put in - from the - oh, the State of Maine as a nutritionist - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Oh.


 

Grace Taylor: - - - to go around to put dinners on and do things for people.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: Well, of course that was after George was born and I got kind of rested over the cesarian and all, and things - and my - I guess that you’ll have to take a - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Oh. This is State of Maine - “This is to certify that Mrs. Grace Taylor has successfully completed the course for and is qualified as nutrition leader. Course conducted at Pembroke, Maine. Date July 25, 1942.” Signed by the Director and State Coordinator and the Governor.


 

Grace Taylor: And I went - I went - oh, I went to Princeton. I went to Crawford and I went all around everywhere putting on dinners and most always had them in the best, you know - in the churches in those times. Or in their own home. And, I went to Dennysville and I put on - I’d make, you know, orange marmalade and jellies for them, and also tomatoes, you know, steam them and all. Of course George was a little fellow and - and


 

Jane Dudley: Did he go along with you?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, I took him along with me. And - and - and then of course when I opened my home to boarders - my home down there was “The Maples.”


 

Jane Dudley: Was what?


 

Grace Taylor: The Maples.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, it was called The Maples.


 

Grace Taylor: And, I took - and after I got through with boarders, I had a tourist home. Oh, it was beautiful.


 

Jane Dudley: And, you did the cooking for them?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes.


 

Jane Dudley: And you kept the house up?


 

Grace Taylor: Yes.


 

Jane Dudley: And, you did it all yourself.


 

Grace Taylor: I wish you could see my home. It’s a dream house all right.


 

Jane Dudley: Maybe sometime when you’re going down there, I could come down and visit.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, Gladys Bridges said she’d love for you to see my home, you know. You know Gladys? She’s a great friend of mine.

Jane Dudley: Oh, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, I - I (indistinct words) And - and - and when George was growing up. Of course I bought antiques, you know, from an antique dealer.


 

Jane Dudley: Went right into your house beautifully.


 

Grace Taylor: I’d take George right along with me. All these things that I have now is my mother’s and my aunt’s. The antiques I sold, you know, to get money you know to do things.


 

Jane Dudley: What was the year that you bought your house?


 

Grace Taylor: It was in 1920.


 

Jane Dudley: 1920. Now, I’m looking around your room and you have so many beautiful things, pictures and glassware. All kinds of things.


 

Grace Taylor: I have those cupboards full of dishes?


 

Jane Dudley: How do you keep them so clean.


 

Grace Taylor: Well, I practically did the house cleaning all myself this year. My girl, that I have, she was taken sick with the flu and I washed all these dishes around - - -


 

Jane Dudley: How could you, Grace? It would take - - -


 

Grace Taylor: And I - - -


 

Jane Dudley: It would take months to do all this.


 

Grace Taylor: George - George said the other day, he said, “What - what do you do - try to do them in one day for?” (Indistinct words.)


 

Jane Dudley: And it all sparkles so. There’s not a speck of dust in here.


 

Grace Taylor: This week she couldn’t come on Tuesday at all. She come one day last week and she vacuumed for me and she washed the - the - this picture and that picture up there and that picture.


 

Jane Dudley: And, you have a chandelier that - - -


 

Grace Taylor: And, she - and she took those plates that were up high and passed them to me and I washed them, see, and she put them back. And all, you see because they won’t let me get up on a step-ladder.


 

Jane Dudley: I would hope not.


 

Grace Taylor: I had to take that and put it away and hide it or I’d run out (indistinct word)


 

Jane Dudley: (Laughter)


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, I took it away. If I hadn’t have I’d been up onto it.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and so - - -


 

Jane Dudley: It’s lovely in here. It must look so different from any other place, that - - -


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, yes.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes, it shows you - - -


 

Grace Taylor: I’ve had people come from Ohio and all (indistinct words) and they wanted to come in and see things.


 

Jane Dudley: It’s a real show place.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and I said - they said - I said, “I don’t mind. I like to have you come in and look them over.” I said, “I don’t mind it at all.”


 

Jane Dudley: That’s nice.


 

Grace Taylor: And - and, somebody said, “Well, isn’t it a wonder then that you’ve got the best place up here.” They said, “With the things you have.” Well - - -


 

Jane Dudley: It’s interesting.


 

Grace Taylor: I have an awful time trying to - trying to get the place. I - I didn’t want to come. All the time that Mr. Pike was here and built this place - that was the minister - and he sent me papers and I was staying down to George and Olympia’s because I was going home in the summer - opening up my place. And George said, “You spend a lot of money, Mama,” he said,”when you’re down here.” “Yes,” I said, “I want to keep my home up.” And, that’s what’s bothering me now. I - I - I have things I want to do. I want to work out doors, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: What do you want to do?

Grace Taylor: Well, one thing I told him the other day. I want the trimmings painted.


 

Jane Dudley: On the outside.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. It’s all - you see it has siding all over. And, I have, you know, and I said, “There’s one of those lights I want fixed. You see I had it wired under ground and I’ve got two of those lights outdoors on posts - - -

Jane Dudley: Oh, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: - - - - one after the other. Inside I have all kinds of (indistinct word) in my archways and things and all my furniture down there. Every night I go to bed, I go through that house. I know everything that is there.


 

Jane Dudley: You know just where it is.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, and I - and I didn’t want to come here. But, after I - I - you see, I couldn’t stay alone at night in that big house, you know, and there was things going on now that there wasn’t, you know. And, I could have stayed once because I always stayed up on the farm. I stayed alone up there many times. But, things are different now. And so, George - - -


 

Jane Dudley: George was worried like anything.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. And so, he said - every time he come, he wanted me to come up. He said, “Mama come up.” I said, “No, I’m not coming up because I’m not going to (indistinct words) twice like that.” So, this one was up. This is a beautiful - - -


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: - - - place, but I - I - I - it hurts me to say that, but because I’m not, you know. He - he says, “That’s your home, Mother.” I said, “I never knew.” I said, “No, it ain’t my home.” I said, “My home is down to Pembroke.” And I said, “I never knew of a rented home being a home to anybody.” You see, that’s the way I figure it. You rent when you pay somebody else for their home, but it isn’t yours. And, the -the (indistinct word) people, you know. Of course, George isn’t young. He’ll be 54 years old in July, but, you know, he - - - this is, well (indistinct words). I’m staying here. You know, I’m just staying. Stopping. And, so he picked it out anyway, and I come up. He said, “You come up.” So, I took the car and I came up and I didn’t sell the car until I come up here. He said I didn’t need it. He was afraid of me going out and (indistinct words) a deer or something.


 

Jane Dudley: How long did you - how long have you stopped driving?


 

Grace Taylor: Oh-h-h, about two years after I was up here, and I - they say - I -I don’t know - they - they (indistinct words) me nothing about what year I come or how long I’ve been here.

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: Somebody said, “Well, you’ve been here long enough to have it painted.” Well, I said, “It’s never going to be painted - not in here.” I said, “While I’m here.”


 

Jane Dudley: It looks perfect. It’s so clean.


 

Grace Taylor: Well, every little spot that gets on it, I clean it, you know. And so, the manager that was here, then. She died recently, Carmen Henderson, she came over with him, and I stood there by the door - of course it was empty. There wasn’t anything in here.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes. And, it didn’t look anything like this.


 

Grace Taylor: No. And I said - and I stood right there and I didn’t say a word. Nothing.


 

Jane Dudley: You didn’t want it.


 

Grace Taylor: And, she - she said to George, she said, “Your mother isn’t a bit interested.” I looked at her and kind of smiled, and I thought I wasn’t (indistinct words - Jane Dudley speaking at the same time so that neither can be understood.) George goes right down and he brings up everything he wants. And - my dishes - of course I wouldn’t leave them down there, you know, because I’d be afraid, but I have police protection and I have genealogy. Everything is ma - - you know, genealogy or - what do I want to say. I know what it is, but I don’t know the name. Inventoried.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: Everything marked.


 

Jane Dudley: Marked so that if it - - -


 

Grace Taylor: And, I have - - -


 

Jane Dudley: - - - can be identified.


 

Grace Taylor: And I have - I have things on my windows - windows - printed right on the windows. This house is full of antiques. And, I’ve been very lucky. Of course I have - I have neighbors, you know, right on side of me - on one side and across the street. And, I’ve been very fortunate, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Now, what - what do you do now? You don’t spend the summer down there any more, do you.


 

Grace Taylor: Pardon?


 

Jane Dudley: You don’t go down there for the summer any more.


 

Grace Taylor: No.


 

Jane Dudley: But, you go visit.


 

Grace Taylor: I’d love to. I’d love to.


 

Jane Dudley: You go down to visit.


 

Grace Taylor: No. I’d give anything. If I went down there and I’d work myself to death. I wanted to get things cleared up, don’t you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Sure.


 

Grace Taylor: Get the junk out.


 

Jane Dudley: They don’t want you to do that.


 

Grace Taylor: And, everything. And, I did. And, I got all the cupboards - everything out of them And everything. He carted away a lot of stuff. And - and - and (indistinct words) I said to George, “I didn’t get the kitchen scrubbed.” “Well,” he says, “that’s all right.” And I said, “No, it needs to be scrubbed.” I said, “I’ve got to get a woman to come in to see about it, you know.” Because I’ve got - every floor is carpeted in the house. It’s got linoleums on them, you know. And my kitchen has, you know, inlaid linoleum. And, my - other places has - of course the house has hardwood floors (indistinct words) you know, and I - I scraped them with a safety razor blade and them things come up. In a big place like - - -


 

Jane Dudley: That is a labor of love.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes. And, so it’s really my dream home and I - I - it’s still my dream home.


 

Jane Dudley: Sure it is.


 

Grace Taylor: And - and I - I - I think I’ll have to sell it but - but I’ll (indistinct words) and - and so George goes down every once in a while and goes in and then if the boys go down from the store they go in and see if everything is all right. And so, he says - I said, “Well there’s things I want to do.” He said, “What do you want to do?” I said, “Well, I want the trimmings painted.” I said, “Will you see about it for me?” And I keep the lawn all mowed, you know, and everything so it’s just perfect. I - I - I had lamps out on the front of my house. (Indistinct word)


 

Jane Dudley: At the doorway?


 

Grace Taylor: Well, no. They were on the lawn, on the front part. And, then I had these iron flower pots, you know.


 

Jane Dudley: Iron flower pots. Oh, yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, those were an heirloom. They were given to me by my people that owned that big place there in Pembroke. I had a cart and plow (indistinct words due to other noises in the room) He lives up there to (indistinct words due to other noises in the room) and then his mother when the place was sold - his mother gave me those. And, those are up to George’s now. I gave them to him because I didn’t want them left there on the lawn because I knew someone would take them, and I’ve got a great big flower pot. Oh, it’s enormous. It was up here on the place on Heaton Hill and I - three blind men, I think, owned that place. They tore it down and built the parsonage, you know. And then - and I bought this big urn. And, had it brought - had it brought down home. And, you know. A truck backed up into that and broke it and I left it there and then I fixed it. I put it all together with cement and fixed it.


 

Jane Dudley: You did it yourself?


 

Grace Taylor: And, last year - of course the police calls George when they - when anything happens and they knocked that over and I guess they broke it all to pieces and George said - he called me up and told me and I said “When you’re down with the truck,” I said, “pick it up and (indistinct word)” He said, “No, I’m not going to do that.” So, it’s laying right there, but if I can get down and see about it, I’m going to have it mended and put back again, because it is - and people wanted to buy it, you see, and probably they were prejudiced and, you know. And, just broke to pieces, but he can’t - it - was made of - not cement, but that brick stuff, you know, that was put together (indistinct words)


 

Jane Dudley: Mortar?


 

Grace Taylor: And of course it was (indistinct words) But, it’s still there, I guess. But, maybe some day I can get somebody. I know that I sent one of the neighbors and she said - because I haven’t the lawn (indistinct words) you know.


 

Jane Dudley: You mean taken care of?


 

Grace Taylor: You know and everything.


 

Jane Dudley: Yes.


 

Grace Taylor: And, I - I had a garden came from the road clean way back, and, you know, every known plant (indistinct words) I had in it. And I - and, you know being a house that was built in (indistinct words) you see it was on the sunburst and those sunbursts, you know, was put in the iron works, you know, and they made nails of them and - and you know, and then big boats would come in at the wharf and take those away, you know. Made with iron ore (indistinct words) you know. And I have - I have some old nails and I have - I have hinges, you know. I don’t know if I gave the hinges or not or if they’re down home. But, I, you know, I - I - I hired a truck and I had those cinders all taken out because they’d be too hot for my garden, see. And, I had loam brought in and I had a wonderful garden. It was - it was so wonderful that it was wrote up - put in the paper and George has got it in a scrap book because Jody said he read it.


 

Jane Dudley: That must be some scrap book he has.


 

Grace Taylor: I have five or six scrap books, you know, down home and I was going to bring them up and kind of look them over, you know, myself and I said to Jean, “You know I can’t find the scrap books.” “Oh,” she said, “George has them.” So - - -


 

Jane Dudley: I guess he cares.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes, he cares about things. Of course I didn’t know, you know, that he was - that he was interested in antiques, but he brought some people up here that was from Bangor that I knew too and the first thing he said when he come in - he wanted the keys to the china closet. I did happen to get that up here, but I have two china closets that I have in the other side of the house. It’s all furnished besides that I have my mother’s furniture all there.


 

Jane Dudley: Grace, may I take your picture. You don’t have to get up.


 

Grace Taylor: I don’t know.


 

Jane Dudley: You don’t have to get up at all. I can take your picture. Would that be all right.


 

Grace Taylor: Yes.


 

Jane Dudley: Could you hold something? Someone gave you a cabbage patch doll, didn’t they?


 

Grace Taylor: Jody. Jody and Medina gave me that.


 

Jane Dudley: Isn’t that cute?


 

Grace Taylor: And, every time she comes in, you know, she gets it and - and she takes its shoes off and she takes the dress of and she - she does it up. I’ve got a picture that I was going to give you.


 

Jane Dudley: Oh. Well, maybe it’s better - probably better than the one I could take


 

Grace Taylor: Well, I’ll show it to you anyway. Dr. John - Dr. John took my picture.


 

Jane Dudley: He didn’t. That was nice.