Farming and Memories

December 1985


(Names and other words that could not be transcribed exactly are in italics. Unknown voices are referred to as ďmanĒ or ďwoman.Ē Comments, explanations, and additional names are in parentheses.)


John Dudley: Missed the two buttons now. What Iím going - you know completely unrehearsed - what Iím going to do is ask you first is what is your first memory of living here. (Silence) Well, thatís all right. (Silence) You say you were born here.


Clinton Flood: I remember one Christmas time my father strewed peanuts out in the dooryard. Said Santa Claus strewed them - said he lost them out of his bag.


John Dudley: Peanuts in the shell.


Clinton Flood: Yes.


John Dudley: Yes. So, Santa Claus was still around then.


Clinton Flood: I donít know how old I was. I couldnít have been more than four, five years old, I should think.


John Dudley: Now, when you were that age or a little bit older what things were grown on the farm?


Clinton Flood: Oh, my father had cows and used to - used to make butter, and had butter customers in Baring and clear down in Calais. After I got a little older, why I used to go along with him. Used to go horse and wagon then, or - summertime, pung in the wintertime.


John Dudley: Do you remember any of the - any of the customers that you delivered to or any of the stores or - - -


Clinton Flood: Oh, yes. They was all - went to houses. We didnít deliver to stores.


John Dudley: Went to the houses.


Clinton Flood: Just houses. Chases there in Baring and Charlie Tyler in Baring and Winslows, (indistinct words) George, I think, George Winslow, and his wife, and Harley, and his wife, we supplied them, once in while there. And, down in Milltown, Holmes, Stu Holmesí mother. Her sister lived there with her, too - two women - three of them. In Milltown. (Indistinct words) We had two customers down in there. One was Mrs. Lee. And, Mrs Hughs. (Indistinct words) We always used to get the groceries there at Cunninghamís or at Johnny Stuartís on the way back.


John Dudley: In Milltown?

Clinton Flood: Yes.


John Dudley: Did - when you went to town with the butter, did you take other things from the farm?


Clinton Flood: We took potatoes and eggs. Years ago my - my father used butcher cattle. He used to raise all his stuff and then he used to buy a lot of stuff - people would come here with it - and heíd sometimes kill it and dress it out and he used to get up at four oíclock in the morning with a horse and wagon or horse and pung whichever it was, summer or winter. Heíd always fry liver in the morning for breakfast. I remember that.


John Dudley: Now, when you say youíre killing stock, would it be beef or pigs or sheep?


Clinton Flood: (indistinct words) Well, once in a while sheep, but most always veal or baby beef or beef or pork.


John Dudley: Pork, yes.


Clinton Flood: We raised pigs, too and he used to buy pigs from different people, and cattle.


John Dudley: Chickens or turkeys?


Clinton Flood: Well, there might have been chickens but no turkeys.


John Dudley: No turkeys.


Clinton Flood: No. We used to have (indistinct words) hens and heíd buy hens, too.


John Dudley: Now in the wintertime, how did you keep the potatoes and the eggs from freezing.


Clinton Flood: Weíd use bricks and wool. Weíd put blankets and underneath the blankets, you know - keep it from freezing.


John Dudley: Heat the bricks in the stove - in the oven or something?


Clinton Flood: We used to have a good sized stone that had a handle on it.


John Dudley: A soap stone?

Clinton Flood: A soap stone, I guess it was. Weíd heat that almost red hot. Wrap that up in blankets and then (indistinct words) You could put it right on the potatoes or next to them, like that. Nothing ever froze or nothing like that at all.


John Dudley: So, youíd leave here in the dark in the wintertime?


Clinton Flood: Oh, yes.

John Dudley: And, get back by supper time or - - -


Clinton Flood: Oh, no. Most of the time we wouldnít get home until six, seven oíclock at night.


John Dudley: How often? Once a week or - - -


Clinton Flood: Every Tuesday.


John Dudley: Every Tuesday.


Clinton Flood: Once a week, yes. (Indistinct words) It was always his regular day and it was - after he passed away I used to take the butter and stuff and I always went on Tuesday, too.


John Dudley: Now, do you remember what year you changed over from using a horse to using a car or truck.


Clinton Flood: My father bought a 1917 Ford. He bought it in Ď16, but I guess the Ď17 was out then, but he paid for it, but he didnít get it until the spring of 1917. Model T Ford.


John Dudley: You wouldnít be able to use that in the winter, though.


Clinton Flood: No, no, we didnít use that in the wintertime, because they didnít plow the roads out. Had to go - well, we used to - if we didnít have water in (indistinct words) sometimes have to go down through the field there and down through and along the sloughs and down to the foot of the hill along the (indistinct words) didnít have no water - used to melt the snow and everything else.


John Dudley: Now, did you take the cows down to get the water or did you - - -


Clinton Flood: Weíd drive them down to get water.


John Dudley: Drive them down instead of carrying the water.


Clinton Flood: Used to take the horse - had water enough for maybe four or five cows and the rest of them had to drive them down (indistinct words)


John Dudley: You made the butter. Now, electricity came through in what - 1949? Ď48?


Clinton Flood: Ď48.


John Dudley: Ď48. So, you didnít use an electric churn.


Clinton Flood: No. No, a barrel churn. Used to push it this way.


John Dudley: Uh huh. Was that one of your jobs in growing up?

Clinton Flood: Yes, I used to do it some. (Indistinct words)


John Dudley: The horses and wagon - one or two horses.?


Clinton Flood: Well, we used to sell wood. We used to have a span of horses then. For delivering the butter on Tuesdays, just the one horse and the express wagon we used to have. Wasnít a very big express wagon. We used to have the back part of that full. We used to put the butter box in front and cover it over and have that down where you put your feet and that sort of full of stuff and up on just the cushion where you had just a place to sit. During the way down, and me and the boys sometime be sitting right on the spring - there was the weight (indistinct words) be sitting right on the axle bar.


John Dudley: What - besides the potatoes and eggs and the butter, what other things from the garden would you take?


Clinton Flood: Heíd take some garden stuff, but not too much (indistinct words). He used to buy berries, too, at the time and used to peddle them. Blueberries and raspberries and that stuff. But, I never did. (Indistinct words) I wouldnít bother with that stuff. All I done then was eggs and potatoes and a big garden and I used to plant two acres potatoes every year then. Mrs. Foley down on North Street there, she had a store and we supplied her year round with potatoes.


John Dudley: Probably the price then wasnít much different than it is now.


Clinton Flood: We used to sell a bushel of potatoes for 50 cents then.


John Dudley: Yes. I saw potatoes the last three or four days somewhere between here and Rockford for $2.19 for 50 pounds. Doesnít pay for the fertilizer.


Clinton Flood: Terrible cheap (indistinct words)


John Dudley: Yes. Now at that time of course you didnít - when did you get your first tractor? Roughly.


Clinton Flood: 1963.


John Dudley: Ď63. So you used horses for a long, long time.


Clinton Flood: And, all the machinery. I bought a manure spreader. (indistinct words) I bought that.(indistinct words) 20, 25 years. (Indistinct words) I sold it for 500.


John Dudley: That was a good deal.


Clinton Flood: 20, 25 years. I always kept it under cover. I never left it outdoors. Every night I put it under the barn in the cellar. I always cleaned it up when I got done with it - washed it (indistinct words) painted it all inside. It never rusted a bit.

John Dudley: You must have had more water at that time than you did earlier.


Clinton Flood: Thatís when - in Ď48 I had a well drilled back of the barn. Russel Clark, he drilled the well. He lost his tools there - several of his tools down in the - down in the ground there about 50, 60 feet. He couldnít get them. The thing slipped off. He had the Sullivan boys come in to try to get them (indistinct words) and couldnít get them. (Indistinct words) Down about 50 feet there.


John Dudley: Thatís one thing we take for granted is water, today.


Clinton Flood: Yes, thatís right. He went down 150 feet and got two gallons of water per minute right there. I had one drilled here in Ď59 and went down 110 feet and I got ten gallons a minute there.


John Dudley: Plenty of water.


Clinton Flood: (Indistinct word) makes a difference.


John Dudley: Did you clear any of the fields?


Clinton Flood: No. No, my father done all that.


John Dudley: He did all of that.


Clinton Flood: Yes. ĎCause he had - he used to go all over haying. He used to have three, four mules then. Heíd start in at daylight mowing, and mow all the forenoon, Ďtil noontime, and in the afternoon theyíd hand rakes and drag rakes and pitch it up in windrows and haul it in a hay wagon to the barn.

John Dudley: He must have spent a lot of time picking stones, too.


Clinton Flood: Oh, I guess so. He done a lot of it by all these rock piles around.


John Dudley: Because you - you had some real nice mown fields.


Clinton Flood: Yes. Iíve got a horse rake out there in the barn my father bought two years before he died. He died in Ď26. Itís just as neat and trim now as it was - never set outdoors over night.


John Dudley: A lot - a lot of farmers leave their stuff all around the door yard. I notice you - - -


Clinton Flood: Keep it under cover, yes. My bailer. I bought a new bailer in Ď63. Paid $500 for it, and I - I heard it going last year and I had to trade it this year and I got $700 for it. I had it 22 years.


John Dudley: Thatís not a bad deal. So, before then you put your hay up loose.


Clinton Flood: Oh, yes. Yes. You take this night pasture down here. We used to mow that all by hand. Two of them down there mowing all the forenoon. And then first thing after dinner theyíd go down there and rake it and (indistinct words) and haul that in and then rake that off and haul that in. (Indistinct word) used to fill the barn solid full of hay. And, Gene, once we got rid of the cows - an awful difference.


John Dudley: You still cut hay, though.


Clinton Flood: Yes. (Indistinct words) selling though. I sold 1900 pounds.


John Dudley: Did you ever put salt on the - on your hay?


Clinton Flood: I used to put lime on and I bought fertilizer after we got rid of the cows for two or three years, and then the fertilizer they sold was so high I couldnít afford to buy the fertilizer and I got the same hay off it.


John Dudley: No, I mean in the barn after you cut it.


Clinton Flood: No.


John Dudley: Never put any. I - Iíve heard of people putting salt on the hay.


Clinton Flood: Lots of them used to. I remember we used to have a horse fork up there and we used to dump it in a certain place and when it would get way up in the peak of the barn - I remember we used to get up in there and it would be so hot you couldnít put your hand down in there. Weíd have to dig around and haul that all off way down in for quite a ways. It would be so hot, youíd think it was going to catch fire. We always kept the doors open. But right where it dropped, you know - punched it down, I suppose on top. Terrible hot.


John Dudley: In - in the - when you talked about selling wood in the - you did that in the wintertime?


Clinton Flood: Yes. We - well we didnít - my father used to have men peeling sometimes - theyíd peel wood way back in, you know, soís you could sell it to the pulp mill.


John Dudley: Yes, peel it in the spring.


Clinton Flood: Yes, he used to have a man or two helping and heíd go down there with them and he used to cut there and haul it into Woodland. I used to - when I was - I was about 15, 16 years old, I used to go out with the horses and haul it into Woodland on sleds. Weíd haul it (Indistinct words) lived across the road - (indistinct name) I used to help him - Keene Maxwell lived on the flat. He had a contract and had a lot of men peeling down in there. He had four or five teams used to haul up in there and go across to the cemetery and come out by Baldwin Holmesís. (indistinct words) and come out by the meadows, Baldwin Stoneís meadows, there (indistinct words) South Princeton, there, where Baldwin Holmes used to live.


John Dudley: Yes, ok.


Clinton Flood: (indistinct words) with horses.


John Dudley: So, you would actually be following the (indistinct word) Higgins stream. Was there a road through there or did you follow the meadows?


Clinton Flood: No, weíd follow the meadows down around. We had to cross the brook there once. We were just outside the cemetery just (indistinct words) the other side of the cemetery.


John Dudley: On the other side. Oh, ok, because I was going to ask you how you got in there. I remember them telling that at one point there was a quote log hauler road that came from up behind Pokomoonshine Mountain across into the Dog Brook meadows and (indistinct words) that it was all flat and they hauled in the winter time.


Clinton Flood: (indistinct name) Russell had (indistinct words) on his land (indistinct words) four or five hundred cords. He used to have three or four dump teams. Our team, Fatherís team, and Scribnerís, C. Scribner, and I think King Maxwell had a team, too. There were four or five teams (indistinct word) They used to help us load down there early in the morning. Have to leave there about six in the morning - get down there in the morning and load up. We did it over in the meadows Ďtil about noon time (indistinct words) pull out at one oíclock.

John Dudley: Probably just one trip a day.


Clinton Flood: Yes, one trip a day.


John Dudley: And how many - how much would you haul on a - on the - - -


Clinton Flood: We wouldnít be able to haul very much. I donít think we had over two cord, two cord and a half. Twelve foot wood, most of it.


John Dudley: Twelve foot.


Clinton Flood: Yes. Some four foot, but most of it was twelve.


John Dudley: Must have been hard loading.


Clinton Flood: Well, it wasnít awful big stuff. And there was a few (indistinct word) men to help us load. Of course we didnít pile it very high. Our sleds were way down low, you know. They were only up about that high. (Indistinct words) The bunks were five foot. Might have been six foot bunks, I guess. (Indistinct words)the horses there. There was a rise at that meadow there, Fosterís Meadow, on the road to South Princeton, quite a rise up through there.


John Dudley: Thereís quite a drop going down off the Wadsky-Higgin Hill.


Clinton Flood: We come across the flat.


John Dudley: Oh, youíd came across the flat to there.


Clinton Flood: We had to go down that Wadsky-Higgin Hill. We used to have to brize it down. Chain on each runner going down the hill there.


John Dudley: Just the chain - the chain would slow you up.


Clinton Flood: Oh, yes. There was all - there was all type of sleds, and you see (indistinct words) It was all horses and teams then - sleds and pungs


John Dudley: What - what other kind of wood did you haul besides the fir?


Clinton Flood: Oh, all we done was the poplar. We used to do the poplar. That would be in the cars. They would load that in the cars - ship that. (Indistinct words) We didnít cut much of any firewood then to sell. We probably cut maybe - well, seven or eight or ten cords. We had that for some of the butter customers - used to come (indistinct words) cut it up. (Indistinct words) Then when I got a truck in Ď28, well yes, I got a truck in Ď28, Pontiac GMC. I used to - Herb Brown made the body for it, and we used to sell quite a lot of wood then. I used to have two men cutting it in the winter time and yard it out. (Indistinct words) in the truck - haul it (indistinct words) about four foot. Sold a lot of it. I used to take some over to Gene Hackett there and he used to saw it up. Some of the customers didnít have enough room (indistinct words) saw it up (indistinct words)


John Dudley: Thatís the easiest part, isnít it.


Clinton Flood: Sure. My father one time took a load of wood into - up to Milltown and he was feeding the horses. Heíd just got the team. He hadnít had the team very long. They were young horses, both of them, and he dropped the pole down, and something went by and scared one of the horses and he started to run, and - one of them - the pole went into something and broke and a piece of that wood went right underneath that - the hoof on the back part and he had to have veterinarian take that wood out and sew that - take that wood out and sew that - sew that hoof up there. She was used up all winter that winter. Her leg was swelled up bigger than three legs. Clean to her hip. Used up all winter.


John Dudley: That made it hard.


Clinton Flood: Yes.


John Dudley: To have a pair of horses and one - one canít work - do - do the horses that work in pairs - did they work singly?


Clinton Flood: Yes, yes, either one of them. Always - the ones we had always worked by themselves . I had Bob Mosely working for me and he went down one morning and his horse - he said it acted just like a colt going down the road. (Indistinct words) worked all the forenoon and his horse dropped dead right there in the woods. He had a load of wood on. Just tipped right over. Dead. I guess it was probably around 12, 14 years old, maybe 15. He said it acted just like a colt down there - kicked up his heels (indistinct words)


John Dudley: Where did you trade for horses, anyway?


Clinton Flood: Used to go over to St. Stephens. I know the name of it. Canít think of it now. He use to - my father used to trade with them and heíd bring them over and heíd bring them over in the night time sometimes - he didnít have to pay duty on them.


John Dudley: Bring -bring them over out on Route 9 there, through the river.


Clinton Flood: Yes. Heíd always bring them over to Frank Hallís stables. Remember when that was in Calais? Probably, you donít.


John Dudley: No, I donít.


Clinton Flood: And then that one died and I went right over the river and he had a lot of nice young horses there, and there was this three year old and a span of black ones, and he wanted to trade with me. I didnít want to trade. I liked this one I had. And, so I bought one of them and brought him home and he took him to Eddie Shaw and brought it over to Hallís stable and I went the next morning and got it and brought it home. And the mate to it, got burned out. Boardman Coal Sales bought the mate to it and they only had it about a week and the stables where the horse was burned and that horse got burned up in it. Something! I canít think of that fellowís name used to sell horses - (indistinct words) hundred dollars for that horse at that time. Horses were cheap then.


John Dudley: Yes. Now, after a spell with your milk - you - you stopped making butter and - - -


Clinton Flood: We stopped making butter. We sold the - first we sold the hens off. They come along and sold cream first - thatís separated. We used to have to take it to Calais to the station. three times a week, Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. The rest of them up there used to go in with him. We used to take turns. Heíd take one freight and Iíd take the next freight. Take it up - had it in five gallon cans. (Indistinct words) And, they quit taking cream and had to ship milk. I think when they started milk, I think, they used to have a truck and theyíd come down here and pick it up. We done that for quite a while and then after a while they quit. And, then I sold to Grantís a while and I had to take it down to Milt Barnum. I had to put it in their cooler down there and Iíd take it down there in the morning before theyíd come and pick it up. And, then after a while - it didnít last very long. I guess (indistinct words) sold to Sharping after - after Hancock quit. We sold to Sharping. Sharping used to come down, and then after Sharping quit, why we went to Grants. But, Grant didnít do it very long before we had to go to a bulk tank. (Indistinct words) I kept the cows just the same. Raised the cows. Didnít get hardly anything out of it. You take all the hay I cut to feed them and all Iíd get out of it was just when a cow was sold and raised for beef because Iíd keep them for two or three years - a bull and what not (indistinct words0


John Dudley: Did you ever do any slaughtering, yourself?


Clinton Flood: Do what?


John Dudley: Slaughtering, yourself?


Clinton Flood: Not much of it, no. I - I didnít like to butcher. Gorham used to do some of it years ago (indistinct words) after he passed away, Lewis Foss used to do it.


John Dudley: Now, when your father used to do that, did he have - did he do it just in the cool time of the year or did he have a cooler for keeping the meat in?


Clinton Flood: He didnít have any cooler then. He always set up (indistinct words) always do it the day before. On Monday he used to butcher. Late Monday afternoon. (Indistinct words) Sometimes in the hot summertime with the damn blowflies around he used to have to - have to roll them all up in a sheet. Had to cover them up so the blowflies couldnít get at them. Great big flies.


John Dudley: Yes. Did you ever try smoking?


Clinton Flood: No, no.


John Dudley: I heard a story, I guess from - the McLellan boys were up on Pocomoonshine one - once when they were growing up and theyíd taken a cow with them and they had and they had a crew that was supposed to come and so they killed the cow, hung the cow up, and it was cold - no problem at all. That night there came in a thaw. The crew didnít come in because it had thawed, and they had - I donít know four, five, six, seven hundred pounds of meat there and they tried to smoke it - used birch bark - didnít work very good. It tasted pretty funny.


Clinton Flood: We used to kill pigs - Father did - and we used to keep half of it hung there anyway, and take it and hang it loose up there on the shed. It would freeze and thaw, freeze and thaw - you know, come a warm spring. The old - sometimes the (indistinct words) the old sun - cut that off - we always ate it - never had no problem.


John Dudley: Never had a problem.


Clinton Flood: No. We didnít have no ice then, no - nothing to keep it in. We did have a - for a while we used to have a nice refrigerator we used to put ice in - one time, I remember. We used to have an - an ice cream cabinet - put ice in it - but that didnít last long and then electricity come and - some different now. If the old folks could come now and see the (indistinct word) now thatís going on they wouldnít believe any of it.


John Dudley: Well, yes, and if the kids that are little today realized what life was back then theyíd be quite surprised.


Clinton Flood: Yes.


John Dudley: Now, you - you cut - yourself, you got most of your hay in with a - with a horse-drawn cutter bar?


Clinton Flood: We - we used a mowing machine, yes. Yes, about the same year I bought the manure spreader, I bought a mowing machine from Ralph Lyons I think the mowing machine nearly 100 dollars - six foot cut. It was some different from the new ones. I remember the old ones were breaking pitney rods and everything else.


John Dudley: That Ralph Lyons, was he down here on the Lyons Road or - - -


Clinton Flood: What?


John Dudley: Would that Ralph Lyons be a person that lived on the road down here?


Clinton Flood: Ralph Lyons?


John Dudley: Yes.


Clinton Flood: No, he was from (indistinct words)


John Dudley: Oh.


Clinton Flood: That Lyons.


John Dudley: I see.


Clinton Flood: His wife is still living up in the Sunrise Apartments. Sheís 99 years old.


John Dudley: Thatís right (indistinct name)mentioned that. He was there last summer (indistinct words) Now, when you were young, you - you got your living (indistinct word) from farming, but when you were young you went to (indistinct word) school over here in the - the Taylor School?


Clinton Flood: Taylor, yes.


John Dudley: Bob Taylor School, is that?


Clinton Flood: I think so, yes.


John Dudley: Any idea where that name came from?


Clinton Flood: No.


John Dudley: No?


Clinton Flood: No.


John Dudley: Do you have any idea where the stage coach stop was?


Clinton Flood: No.


John Dudley: That goes back a long, long time ago.


Clinton Flood: Charlie Brown used to have a post office when I was a young kid going to school and everything. (Indistinct word) through supper and the chores done, why I used to go up there and sit on the floor. We used to have to go get the mail up there at the store. Of course from school Iíd bring home




Clinton Flood: (Indistinct words)


John Dudley: Well, a lot of people - what time do you eat supper now?


Clinton Flood: Huh?


John Dudley: What time do you have supper now?


Clinton Flood: Around four oíclock.


John Dudley: Four, yes.


Clinton Flood: Yes.


John Dudley: Thereís a lot of people that eat - eat at that time.


Clinton Flood: Sometimes - some days we have dinner at half past ten or eleven oíclock.


John Dudley: You start the day a little earlier than most.


Clinton Flood: Yes. In the summertime - itís a little later. In the summertime itís about five. I donít like this fast time. This time - I mean the slow time - this time of the year.


John Dudley: Yes. You like to see the sun up a little bit longer in the afternoon.


Clinton Flood: Yes.


John Dudley: Same here. 3:30 down at my place itís dark - the sun sets.


Clinton Flood: Yes. Days will be soon lengthening, wonít they?


John Dudley: Yes.


Clinton Flood: About Christmas.


John Dudley: Yes. Well, now, do you remember of any houses between here and the cemetery? On this - - -


Clinton Flood: None - none on this side of the road.


John Dudley: None on this side of the road, right?


Clinton Flood: No. Verne Tucker used to live down in there - you go down to Warren Slaughterís - you go down through that pasture there and thereís a knoll down in there. My father lived down there one time before he bought this place here.


John Dudley: Thatís the only - - -


Clinton Flood: I donít know who lived there after he bought this place. Seems to me it was some Berry. I donít know if it was Alvin Berry or not. I might be mistaken. I know his sister probably would know.


John Dudley: Now, down here on the other side - - -


Clinton Flood: Scribners used to live here. Martin and William Scribner used to live down there. Albert Perkins used to live across the road when I was a young kid. He used to live across the road. Him and his wife and then - they had a son named Raymond. And, he was chasing a horse one day - I remember that. I remember - kids - they had a clothesline out there and he run underneath that clothesline and that wire - catch him right underneath here and knocked the whole front teeth out.


John Dudley: Oh my land.


Clinton Flood: He fell right down. He was going so fast and he went right into that wire and it knocked him right back on the ground. I thought it had knocked him right out. It didnít - didnít knock him out. He lost three or four of his upper teeth. That was Raymond.


John Dudley: Raymond Perkins.


Clinton Flood: Yes.


John Dudley: Now, Scribners moved up there at one point.


Clinton Flood: Yes, they - after Raymond got married and went - oh yes, I think he went to Woodland by then. And, they bought the place up here. And, he sold the place down here to Roland Cross.


John Dudley: Um hum, and that place burned.


Clinton Flood: Yes, shortly. Well, they was here quite a few years. Burned.


John Dudley: That was originally a Strout place or at one time it was a Strout place, I think.


Clinton Flood: It might have been, too.


John Dudley: Seems to me that - looking at old maps - seems to me that Strout lived on - on this side of the road right where the - what do you call that road that goes up there - Thistlewood Road or the Lyons Road?


Clinton Flood: Yes. Thistlewood.


John Dudley: Thistlewood Road.


Clinton Flood: Some call it Lyons Road, also. I guess it was called Thistlewood way back years ago.


John Dudley: Yes.


Clinton Flood: Yes, Bob - Bob Thistlewood? I guess thatís the one.


John Dudley: Yes. Robert K. Thistlewood.


Clinton Flood: Yes. That was one of them. Used to be buildings there, a barn and a house, and he used to plow a lot of fields then. Theyíre all grown up now. (Indistinct words)


John Dudley: I guess - well, Danny still lives - lives out there, doesnít he? Danny McArthur?


Clinton Flood: Yes he still owns the Lyonsí place - Jamesí place. Yes, he still owns that. I guess he - put some of it into blueberry land. The fields, I guess have all gone into bluebery land. He never mows any hay - just the bushes I guess - keeps the bushes cut. He wanted to sell this place up here. Going to tear the old house down or burn it and build a new house up there. I guess - heís got too much price on this one to sell or not.


John Dudley: The one beyond there is the one he wants to sell.


Clinton Flood: Yes, the old Lyons place.


John Dudley: Yes.


Clinton Flood: Yes. That his father bought.


John Dudley: Right.


Clinton Flood: Or his grandfather bought it.


John Dudley: I see. So, Lyons lived down there. James? Is it James?


Clinton Flood: James, yes. Robby Lehan used to live there with them.


John Dudley: Whatís that name again?


Clinton Flood: Robby. Robert Lehan.


John Dudley: Lehan?


Clinton Flood: Yes.


John Dudley: Hum.


Clinton Flood: He was married and had two girls. She died in - oh, I donít know how many years they were married - quite a few years. She died of pneumonia. My father died in November and James died in December. Used to (Indistinct words) What relation was my mother to James, (indistinct name)?




Clinton Flood: Was he a relation?




Clinton Flood: What?


Mrs. Flood: He was your uncle.


Cliinton Flood: Uncle. Robby was - - -


Mrs. Flood: Her half brother.


Clinton Flood: Robby was half brother to my mother.


John Dudley: Hum.


Mrs. Flood: Is that machine still going?


Clinton Flood: His mother was a LaHand.


John Dudley: Still on.


Mrs. Flood: Shut it off. (Indistinct words)


John Dudley: Thatís all right. You wonít break it.


Mrs. Flood: I might.


John Dudley: Was there down here (indistinct word) - I know there was Charlie Brownís store. Was there ever a store down here before this present?


Clinton Flood: No. Wayne Benton used to sell stuff over at his place when he lived across the road. He used to sell grain and sell a few groceries and then he bought Charlie Brownís (indistinct words) grocery store up there.


John Dudley: Thatís right. That was after Charlie died.


Clinton Flood: Huh?


John Dudley: That was after Charlie died, or when he was quite old?


Clinton Flood: No. They bought it from Charlie. But he - he married a woman from Florida and he went down to Florida and he was only down there a year or two and I donít know, some said it was her son shot him. There was, you know, all kinds of stories, anyway.


John Dudley: And he had the house across the road.


Clinton Flood: He had the house across the road. He sold that then to Liston from Crawford. Yes, Liston used to work for him and Charlie got so he - he wouldnít take care of him. But, he used to have Harold Varney and Charlie Roland from Crawford - used to work for him. And, I guess Roland died and Harold Varney - he didnít die right there though, because he - he lived over to Crawford. He died over there. So Liston bought the place - Carl Liston - had his home there and farmed. He sold milk. He sold to Hancock, same as we did and went to chopping. I guess he had it - I guess he died before we were - before we went into (indistinct word) Yes, he died in - he was married in Ď22 and he died - he was married in - he died on his anniversary, it was 40 years. He was married in Ď22. He must have died in Ď62.


John Dudley: Anyway he was - well, he was a young man - if I remember - you know, I - - -


Clinton Flood: Yes.


John Dudley: I - I remember talking to him - being over there occasionally. And - - -


Clinton Flood: He was just married 40 years.


John Dudley: Hazel found him.


Cliniton Flood: Hazel was his wife.


John Dudley: Whoís a nurse. She lives right down in the Lake Road.


Clinton Flood: With Orris there.


John Dudley: Yes.


Clinton Flood: I know she went down there (indistinct words) Calais - tried to go up there and tried to get in the senior citizens up there somewhere.


John Dudley: Well, Iím not sure why - I expect Orris - I - well, would be looking after her, you know.


Clinton Flood: (indistinct words)


John Dudley: He seems to like to look after and help people and - - -


Clinton Flood: Yes, he always does. He raises all the garden stuff and gives it - gives it all away.


John Dudley: Yes.


Clinton Flood: Friends and neighbors and everything. Yes.


John Dudley: So, I guess he figured perhaps he could look after her better if she was a little handier.


Clinton Flood: Yes.


John Dudley: Well, going back - - -


Clinton Flood: What?


John Dudley: Going back again to your younger days - the Grange Hall - that was built before you can remember, right?


Clinton Flood: (indistinct words) 1908, wasnít it?


John Dudley: Well, Iím not sure.


Clinton Flood: I - I - I donít know if I can remember or not, but I remember my father - - -


Mrs. Flood: That was 1903.


Clinton Flood: I thought it was 1905 or 1908. Itís marked on the doorstep up there. I think.


John Dudley: Before 1910, anyway.


Clinton Flood: Yes, either five or 1908. I donít know which it is. My father had this horse stables along out here in 1903, I think. The year I was born.


Mrs. Flood: (indistinct words)


Clinton Flood: What?


Mrs. Flood: Donít tell how old you are.


John Dudley: Thatís all right.


Clinton Flood: He knows. He knows how old I am. Heís got the - heís got the report there.


Mrs. Flood: Yes. The darn - darn reports tell everything.


Clinton Flood: They - they had a bee. They done all that - all with bee work.


John Dudley: The barn or the Grange Hall?


Clinton Flood: The Grange Hall.


John Dudley: The Grange Hall, huh?


Clinton Flood: I heard my father telling about it. Heíd go there and work. He told me he was sawing. I donít know if they had the lumber sawed or not. I figure they must have. Take it to the lumber mill and had it sawed, and - they might have bought some, too, but they got all - the carpenter work was all - all free work and they might have had to hire somebody to do some of it. Good carpenters (indistinct words) But it - but it was all done by mostly free work.


John Dudley: Now, did they have any social affairs up there at the Grange Hall?


Clinton Flood: They used to years ago, but not now.


John Dudley: I suppose you donít want to tell about going to them with your wife being right here.


Clinton Flood: Oh, she knows. She knows. They never had no suppers then. (Indistinct words) I remember - I remember Rutland Scribner and Ivy Scribner and me - myself - was janitors. We used to belong to the Grange then. I was about 14, 15 years old. They used to have these suppers and we used to swipe a pie and weíd go upstairs at the Grange. We used to swipe a pie because we always done the dishes. We got paid for doing that - two or three dollars for doing the dishes - the next day. Weíd do it the next day. Theyíd have - theyíd have a table on both sides of that hall, you know. I donít know how many people - must have been 100 or more. Everybody cooked - take pies and cakes and one thing and another. If weíd ever get a cream pie, weíd always - weíd get a small pie or sometimes weíd swipe a good looking cake and weíd put it - hide it and weíd have it the next day for lunch.


John Dudley: While you were washing the dishes.


Clinton Flood: While we were washing the dishes. I remember that just as if it was yesterday.


John Dudley: Did you boil the water to wash the dishes or did you wash them in cold water?


Clinton Flood: No, we always had great big - we had great big stew dishes we used to heat the water. We didnít - we didnít do no dirty work or nothing like that. We used to heat the water and weíd scald them afterwards. We had tea kettles there and - we used to have tea kettles and dishes. Weíd boil the water.


John Dudley: So that was really the center of the town with the church and the Grange Hall - - -


Clinton Flood: Oh, yes, thatís right.


John Dudley: - - - and one of the schools there and - and the post office. Was the post office - well you said it was there.


Clinton Flood: (indistinct words - both men talking at the same time) the post office was there anyway. Yes.


John Dudley: Yes.


Clinton Flood: Church and grange hall and post office and school house. All four of them right there in a row..


John Dudley: How did you like Plineyís picture of the church?



Clinton Flood: Nice picture.


John Dudley: I was - I was really pleased to get that.


Clinton Flood: I know. I suppose that must have been taken a long time ago, too.


John Dudley: He thinks about 1900. You see the Grange Hall wasnít there.


Clinton Flood: No sir.


John Dudley: The way it was - the picture that - that he has is about this big and when they made it smaller to go on the cards they cut a little bit off the sides but still it was - you can tell the Grange Hall wasnít there. You can see clear to Meddybemps Lake.


Mrs. Flood: I have one of those.


Clinton Flood: What?


Mrs. Flood: I have one of those upstairs.


Clinton Flood: It was either 1905 or 1908 the Grange Hall was built. Iím pretty sure it was done before I went to war.


John Dudley: Were there any other public type buildings along there besides those four?


Clinton Flood: No. (Indistinct words)


John Dudley: Do you remember any of the names of the ministers of the church?


Clinton Flood: Well, way back then, I donít.


Mrs. Flood: Wasnít Donald Frost there (indistinct words)


Clinton Flood: (indistinct words)


Mrs. Flood: McGraw?


Clinton Flood: McGraw.


Mrs. Flood: Dun - Dun - Dunham McGraw?


Clinton Flood: Clara Dwellyís father Dunham. I guess it was him. Maybe it wasnít.


Mrs. Flood: (Indistinct words)


Clinton Flood: (Indistinct words) could tell you about that.


Mrs. Flood: (Indistinct words)


Clinton Flood: (Indistinct words) She went to school up there. She went to school when we went up there.


Mrs. Flood: (Indistinct words)


Clinton Flood: Pardon?


Mrs. Flood: (Indistinct words)


Clinton Flood: Pardon?


Mrs. Flood: (Indistinct words)


Clinton Flood: When was the last one you voted? (Indistinct words)


Mrs. Flood: (Indistinct words)


Clinton Flood: He was the last one.


Mrs. Flood: Yes. Because I correspond with him every Christmas.


Clinton Flood: He lives in - he lives in Caribou now?


Mrs. Flood: Caribou.


Clinton Flood: Caribou.


Mrs. Flood: Youíre talking (indistinct words)


Clinton Flood: Yes, we got a Christmas card from him this year.


Mrs. Flood: He sent it with the last of (indistinct words) up here. (Indistinct words) Seems nice to hear from him every year. Heís retired now.


John Dudley: He didnít move to a very close - very warm place to retire though, did he.



Clinton Flood: 42 there - 42 below up there the other morning. (Indistinct words)


Mrs. Flood: He didnít move there at first I donít think. I donít think he went to Caribou first. The last I heard, his daughter - I gather she married (indistinct words) Moved up there (indistinct words)


Mrs. Flood: Got any children Mr. Dudley?


John Dudley: John. No, I donít.


John Dudley: John. No, I donít.


Mrs. Flood: She said - I said, ďJack Dudleyís coming.Ē She said, ďIt isnít Jack Dudley, itís John.Ē I said, ďWell, itís the same one.Ē And, youíre named after your father?


John Dudley: I guess so, yes. But, heís always been known as Jack.


Mrs. Flood: Your grandfatherís Herbert.


John Dudley: Um hum. But, actually my grandfather was born - when he was born his name was John - John Herbert. just like mine, but he changed his around kind of. His - his father was John so maybe they called him by his middle name. I donít know. But, when he was born, it was John Herbert, but later on he changed it to Herbert John.


Mrs. Flood: I think thatís on my hand. I fell. (Indistinct words) Is it still on?


John Dudley: Itís still - still going. Youíre on there now.


Clinton Flood: Thatís all right.


Mrs. Flood: Whatís it - recording? You say youíre on it. (Indistinct words)


Clinton Flood: What?


Mrs. Flood: Somethingís on TV, something about John?


Clinton Flood: No camera.


Mrs. Flood: What?


Clinton Flood: On camera?


Mrs. Flood: Yes, yes, on camera.


John Dudley: No, thereís no camera here - just the


Clinton Flood: No camera here.


John Dudley: Just the tape recorder.


Mrs. Flood: I took - Iím going to get the picture of my grand - great grandsons to show you.


John Dudley: You have great grandchildren.


Mrs. Flood: Two.


John Dudley: My oh my!


Mrs. Flood: I thought Iíd have more before this.


Clinton Flood: Married 60 years in September.


John Dudley: 60 years. Isnít that great.


Clinton Flood: Eighteenth. We were married in September - the 18th . My father died the seventh of November.


John Dudley: The same year?


Clinton Flood: Same year. (Indistinct words)


Mrs. Flood: (Indistinct words)


John Dudley: Um hum.


Mrs. Flood: Our familyís been here since the olden days. Your great grandchildren and your grandchildren. This is one of our great grandchildren, here.


John Dudley: Pardon?


Mrs. Flood: Thatís Jeanís sonís boy.


John Dudley: Jeanís sonís - - -

Mrs. Flood: Boy.


John Dudley: My, my.


Clinton Flood: They donít live here.


Mrs. Flood: California. He was two years old the last of January. This was one six months old.


John Dudley: He must be a brother.


Mrs. Flood: No. He lives up in Danforth.


Clinton Flood: This is Joanís grandchildren there. This one here.


John Dudley: So this one is a McDonald?


Mrs. Flood: No, his name is Bartlett.


John Dudley: Bartlett. His motherís a McDonald.


Mrs. Flood: Yes. She lives - she lives up Danforth.


Clinton Flood: No.


Mrs. Flood: Teaches school. She does.


Clinton Flood: Yes.


John Dudley: Uh huh.


Clinton Flood: He was - they were both teaching Topsfield.


Mrs. Flood: (Indistinct words)


John Dudley: Letís see. That must have been nine years ago.


Clinton Flood: Yes.


John Dudley: September - September 18th.


Mrs. Flood: Oh.


Clinton Flood: It was September.


John Dudley: Thatís a nice picture.


Mrs. Flood: Itíll be 60 years in September this year.


Clinton Flood: The girls and Duffyís sister put on an anniversary party for us and we got four hundred and some odd dollars?


Mrs. Flood: Ay-uh.


Clinton Flood: Four hundred and some odd dollars. Money.


John Dudley: You did.


Clinton Flood: Besides all the - - -


Mrs. Flood: The gifts.


John Dudley: Do you have something planned for this year?


Clinton Flood: No.


John Dudley: No.


Mrs. Flood: Theyíll plan something.


Clinton Flood: I donít know if the girls will put a party of for us or not.


Mrs. Flood: I hope (indistinct words).


Clinton Flood: Iíd like to have my granddaughter.


Mrs. Flood: Thatís - thatís my sister. She lives in Ohio.


John Dudley: Ok, I can see the resemblance, but I - I - itís not Marilyn.


Mrs. Flood: No, thatís next to Marilyn.


John Dudley: Um-hum.


Mrs. Flood: That oneís the baby. Sheís 62 now. Jean says sheís no baby. That little baby there was adopted. What couple was it adopted both - I donít know how old it is now - about two years old? He wasnít old - - -


Clinton Flood: He was a year old last July.


Mrs. Flood: Yes.


Clinton Flood: He was only about two weeks old when they adopted from Landers up to Williams.


John Dudley: Landers. Now is that related to you?


Clinton Flood: She has a horse over here, boarding it with (indistinct name) across the road. A riding horse.


Mrs. Flood: Sheís just a friend we know.


Clinton Flood: Just a friend.


John Dudley: Lucky little fellow then, isnít he?


Mrs. Flood: Itís a girl.


John Dudley: Looks like a little girl?


Mrs. Flood: Megan.


John Dudley: Oh, yes. Thatís what Terry and Lisa named their little girl.


Mrs. Flood: Oh, did they?


John Dudley: Megan. Megan Jane.


Mrs. Flood: Oh, they had a girl this time, huh?


John Dudley: Yes. Just - I guess it was - whatís today, Monday? A week ago or two weeks ago today. I canít remember which.


Mrs. Flood: Terry Lord and his wife, Lisa - she had a boy, I think - the other one.


John Dudley: Yes.


Mrs. Flood: You know itís awful hard for me to keep still and not talk.


John Dudley: Thatís all right.


Mrs. Flood: Thatíll be all then?


John Dudley: Youíre a Canadian?


Mrs. Flood: ĎCourse not.


John Dudley: I always say - Marie - Marieís a talker and I always tell her itís because sheís a Canadian.


Clinton Flood: She was born up in Freddieís house. Freddie Wallace.


Mrs. Flood: I know heís awfully hard set to talk.


Clinton Flood: And, Freddie came down here after she was born - after she was - - -


Mrs. Flood: (Indistinct words)


Clinton Flood: I donít care if it is. (Indistinct words) whiskey, I guess, or something. And he says ďIíve got a girl to my mother for your boys.Ē


John Dudley: It was all arranged, then.


Clinton Flood: Yes. And, she went to Princeton and to Woodland.


Mrs. Flood: And I had more boyfriends.


Clinton Flood: And, thatís where I picked her out - out to Woodland.


John Dudley: Out to Woodland.


Clinton Flood: (Indistinct words) to Calais to a dance. (Indistinct words) first out to Woodland. Milton Scribner and I used to go out there to Woodland to dances and Milton and I wanted her and another girl to go on a ride with us and they wouldnít go with us.


Mrs. Flood: We didnít know them. We wouldnít go.


Clinton Flood: So it was - she went down to the dance down to St. Stephenís to the - to her uncle - - -


Mrs. Flood: I took my (indistinct words).


Clinton Flood: I danced some with her down there and I made a date with her.


Mrs. Flood: And, he had a girl friend there.


John Dudley: Um hum.


Clinton Flood: It came natural to talk with her.


John Dudley: So you used to travel around to the dances.


Clinton Flood: Oh yes.


John Dudley: And that was by horse and - - -


Clinton Flood: No, we had cars then.


John Dudley: You had cars then. Ok.


Mrs. Flood: That was in 19 - - -


Clinton Flood: I had a Model T - had the Model T then.


Mrs. Flood: 24.


John Dudley: So thatís in the summertime, but in the winter youíd have to - - -


Clinton Flood: Oh, I tied it up in the wintertime. I used to go skiing - both with skis and (indistinct words) used to have a road there by Virginia Hackís and go across between the woods there and go by the beeches in Woodland there.


John Dudley: Un huh. That road (indistinct words)


Mrs. Flood: That must have been a walk.


John Dudley: And, you - and you used to ski.


Mrs. Flood: You must have wanted to see her real bad. (Indistinct words)


Clinton Flood: Sometimes I used to walk, too. Lots of times I walked.


Mrs. Flood: That little fellow there - his picture makes him look better than he really is.


John Dudley: Nice. Heís still in that picture. Probably he -he doesnít sit still very often, does he?


Mrs. Flood: No, he - I have another one in on the television (indistinct words) In this one heís so much better looking here. That little fellow - looks like heís got brown eyes. His eyes are just as blue.


John Dudley: Hum.


Mrs. Flood: Heís cutting teeth. He used to have an awful time with ear infections.


John Dudley: They live in Danforth.


Mrs. Flood: Yes, theyíre building a home up there. His folks live up there. And, they teach in Topsham.


John Dudley: In Topsham.


Mrs. Flood: Yes.


Clinton Flood: Thereís a new school house..


Mrs. Flood: They both do.


Clinton Flood: You turn out - go towards Saint - Saint Stephenís to the right. Sits up on a hill there. Just as you turn.


John Dudley: Oh, yes.


Clinton Flood: About a mile out there.


John Dudley: Yes. Toward - toward Vanceboro.


Clinton Flood: Yes. Thereís a kid there - 22 months old (indistinct words)


Mrs. Flood: Donít look at thing like me.


Clinton Flood: Yes.


Mrs. Flood: Donít look like me.


Clinton Flood: (Indistinct words) see this one here.


John Dudley: Same - same one. How many children does Jean have?

Clinton Flood: She had a boy and a girl.


Mrs. Flood: Yes, a boy and a girl.


John Dudley: And Joan?


Mrs. Flood: She has two girls and a boy. Youngest girl is home with her. The boyís in Portland working.


Clinton Flood: Jeanís daughter, she got married two or three years ago. Itís been a couple years, I guess. They parted and she just got married a week ago last Saturday again.


John Dudley: Thatís a - thatís a story like - - -


Clinton Flood: Sheís a - sheís a technician, ainít she, at the hospital.


Mrs. Flood: X-ray technician.


Clinton Flood: X-ray technician. Biddeford?


Mrs. Flood: Yes.


Clinton Flood: Biddeford.


Mrs. Flood: They live different than we did nowadays.


John Dudley: Sure do. An awful lot different.


Mrs. Flood: Believe it. You canít tell your kids what to do now. Grandchildren. Is your wife down here?


John Dudley: Um hum. (Indistinct words)


Mrs. Flood: Are you going to make your home up here.


John Dudley: Yes, this is the third winter that weíre - - -


Mrs. Flood; Oh, is that right?


John Dudley: - - - been in there. Itís not all done yet.


Mrs. Flood: How many rooms are you going to have?


John Dudley: Well, itís going to be six rooms.


Mrs. Flood: An upstairs?


John Dudley: Yes, thereís two - two rooms upstairs - two bedrooms.


Mrs. Flood: I donít like an upstairs.


John Dudley: Well - - -


Mrs. Flood: When you get older, you donít like it


John Dudley: Those are - those arenít - the upstairs is for company.


Mrs. Flood: Oh, I see. You have a bedroom downstairs.


John Dudley: We have a bedroom downstairs.


Mrs. Flood: And the bathroom downstairs.


John Dudley: Yes.


Mrs. Flood: I donít blame you. (Indistinct words) our bathroom downstairs. We have a nice bedroom in there.


John Dudley: Yes. Well, thatís - thatís one thing - weíve lived in a number of different houses and in every house either the bathroom was downstairs and the bedrooms upstairs - - -


Mrs. Flood; Yes.


John Dudley: - - - or the bedroom downstairs and the bathroom upstairs.


Mrs. Flood: That makes it terrible hard.


John Dudley: And so when we built this we decided we were going to have the bedroom and the bathroom downstairs.


Mrs. Flood: We had a little one here - they called it the parlor years ago and off that was this little bedroom. We took that little bedroom and fixed it into a bathroom and had that (indistinct word) door shut off.


John Dudley: Yes.


Mrs. Flood: It made a lovely bathroom, didnít it?


Clinton Flood: (Indistinct words) wood? (Indistinct words) wood?


John Dudley: Yes. Iíve got an oil furnace for when - you know we come down on the weekend - - -